• Autonomous@lemmy.ml
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    25 days ago

    Racism they took head on more, but gender/sexuality they had to be more creative so as to keep berman and the execs from figuring it out.

    Gender and sexuality have made leaps and bounds since then and episodes that deal with it similarly now are more likely to be broadcast. It’s the same spirit as before, just catching up with the times.

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      25 days ago

      And the one time they finally gave a single throwaway line to the fact that enbys exist, quote-unquote “progressives” suddenly clutch their pearls over it.

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    25 days ago

    If they saw it before they were 14, it’s nuanced, insightful, even challenging. If they saw it after they were 14, it’s shallow insincere pandering.

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      25 days ago

      I tried to work in a Pa’nar syndrome one but it was too clunky. I appreciate how you just slapped “HIV ALLEGORY” on it 😂

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        Sometimes clunky problems require simple solutions lol. I couldn’t figure out any other way to represent Pa’nar syndrome in a still.

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          25 days ago

          Listen, you got the job done not to mention this meme is specifically about how nitpicking representation is harmful to representation.

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        25 days ago

        ENT is definitely one of my top 3 Treks. Wasn’t perfect, but I just really like the “everything is new and experimental” aspect of it. That, and the early episodes having to solve problems without relying on the transporters or having to hand-wave away why they can’t use them.

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      25 days ago

      I love Dax. We need more Dax. And

      spoiler

      ___Tawny Newsome should really get to play her more than once.

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    25 days ago

    Yeah this shit irritates me in part because I feel like Discovery has lazy writing, but it’s hard to make those criticisms of it because as soon as you start people dismiss you as a shitlord because they assume you think it’s that shit.

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      25 days ago

      Agreed with the reaction to criticisms. My biggest problem with Discovery is the fact that, during the last two seasons especially, you’d frequently have some insanely huge event taking place that also has a ticking clock and the crew will just stop trying to solve the event so they can have a little talk about their feelings.

      I have no problem with Star Trek talking about people’s feelings. I have no problem with Burnham’s arc effectively being about her seeing the value of her emotions (after having been raised by Vulcans). I have no problem with a Star Trek show having scenes of therapy or whatnot. I have huge problems with these things happening IN THE MIDDLE OF A TICKING CLOCK GALAXY WIDE CRISIS. You’re supposed to be professionals. Get it together, finish the mission, then deal with all of this in debrief!

      But some might read this and think that I’m “hur dur, Michael Burnham is crying all the time.” Nope.

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      25 days ago

      There are a lot of people out there who are “totally ok with the gays” but put such a high bar on what constituents acceptable representation that it starts to feel like bigotry by omission.

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        25 days ago

        Yeah, I agree. That’s the thing — I have no problem with whatever “woke” stuff people are complaining about. My complaints are things like “this is the first time anyone in Star Trek (outside of time travel) mentioned inches.”

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          My complaints are things like “this is the first time anyone in Star Trek (outside of time travel) mentioned inches.”

          Why are you blaming Disco for something that TNG did?