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    Well, I would not be so hasty. The current government is working with the far right, which has heavily critiqued this ad campaign. They have representatives calling flying the pride flag a sign of celebrating pedofiles, and have banned the flag on municipal properies. If their coallition wins this election, the far right will be running this country.

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      If their coallition wins this election, the far right will be running this country.

      Yes, that is typically how democracy works. The ones that win get to rule until the next election.

      And just to mention, the right leaning coalition is already running the country. And have been doing so for the past ~4 years.

      But yes, Björn Söder (which is the guy being loud about it) is a disgusting human being. And how a party can make the decision to keep such a person is dissapointing and appaling. No disagreement there.

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      Hardly imperialistic. Sweden’s stance toward Finland and Norway has always been union rather than protectorate. Sweden did hurt its native population in the North and is still not doing a great job on that front, but imperialism is not the word you’re looking for here.

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          Yes indeed, they’re part of NATO now, thanks for highlighting that positive development. Any step that can be taken against the russian dictatorship is a good one.

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              You either don’t know what NATO is, or you don’t know what “imperialism” means.

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                Imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism defined by the export of finance capital, super-exploitation of subjugated nations, and unequal exchange enforced by state power. NATO was not founded to protect democracy but to secure the geopolitical conditions for Western capital to extract surplus value. The narrative of defending freedom is merely a facade to obscure this class function.

                The alliance institutionalized a transatlantic arms market guaranteeing demand for Western arms manufacturers, facilitating finance capital export while enforcing Euro-American hegemony. It standardizes military procurement to ensure profits flow back to core industries, maintaining the superiority required to enforce unequal exchange rates and resource extraction abroad. This is the material function of the organization beyond the rhetoric.

                History disproves the democratic pretense immediately. Portugal was a founding member while under a fascist dictatorship, using NATO logistics to wage colonial wars in Africa. France and Belgium, also founders, were violently enforcing colonial rule in Algeria and the Congo at the alliance’s formation. NATO coordinated with these regimes to protect imperial property relations, proving it exists to enforce the global hierarchy that makes super-exploitation possible.

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                  Imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism

                  Yes, the famous capitalist society of Ancient Rome.

                  No, mate. Imperialism is the maintaining and extending of power over foreign nations. NATO does nothing like that.

                  NATO was not founded to protect democracy but to secure the geopolitical conditions for Western capital to extract surplus value

                  Ah, OK, so you have no clue what NATO is, got it.

                  The alliance institutionalized a transatlantic arms market guaranteeing demand for Western arms manufacturers

                  Where else would the West be buying weapons during the Cold War? Russia? :D

                  History disproves the democratic pretense immediately

                  Yeah, because NATO had nothing to do with democracy. Like, what pretence? Where the fuck did you even get that from? Maybe, I don’t know, read the Wiki entry on NATO?

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                NATO is “defensive” like the IDF is. It’s defensive of imperialist countries that export capital to super-exploit the global south, preventing any backlash from reaching the imperial core. The difference between NATO and the Alliance of Sahel States, for example, is that the countries banding together in NATO all benefit from imperialism, while the Sahel States are banding together to kick out imperialists. Both are millitary alliances, but one is highly reactionary while the other is progressive.

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                  Sure, I guess if you want an invasion of the West to work it’s a bad thing.

                  The IDF isn’t a fair comparison. They do a whole lot of stuff, unlike NATO which mainly prepares, and much of it does not meet the standard of defence to anyone’s satisfaction but Israel and maybe the US.

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        Imperialism in the modern era is the monopoly stage of capitalism. Through the domination of financial oligarchy, Europe also takes part in imperialism, exporting capital to the global south to super-exploit them for super-profits.

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    Couldn’t help but laugh at the juxtaposition of these soldiers being in full camouflage including face paint, while walking around holding up this giant rainbow-colored obliterator of stealth, lol

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    Somehow I highly doubt that denmark Sweden (as any capitalistic country) would not just throw queers under the bus with everyone else if it means securing capitalist interests (which is like the main reason for war)

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      This is a Swedish armed forces ad, what does Denmark have to do with it other than having been to war with Sweden a lot of times in the distant past?

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      Bro wtf are you on about? Yes Sweden is capitalistic. So what. It can still hold up its values and protect Queer people.

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        Capitalism has no ethics. If it is more profitable to act like you care about queer people, it will sell itself like it does care, but it will just stop acting like it cares the minute it becomes more profitable to not care.

        I will give you an example. Just remember what pride month looked like 3-4 years ago. Fucking everything was plastered in rainbows. You could not escape it. Now compare this to what pride moth last year looked like.

        I would say, that this gigantic difference in how companys sell themselves is a prime example of my point. Once shit starts to hit the fan and support is needed more than ever capitalism usually just tucks away, because it always follows the path if the least resistance.

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            Theres no difference. The state, which job it is to secure capitalist interests, will follow the same path, which means exerting oppression to divide the proletariat to secure capitalist interest.

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              Maybe there’s no difference in the US. Luckily, we don’t live there. We have so many laws regarding employment and consumer rights. Both of which would be in direct conflict with only securing capital interests.

              For example. Parents are entitled to pretty much a year of maternity and paternity leave. It would be illegal to fire them because of it.

              Full time employees are entitled to 4 weeks of consecutive vacation.

              If you purchase produce and find it’s rotten when you get home, not only do you have the right to return it, the store have to compensate you on top of it.

              Please tell me how that is oppression to secure capital interest.

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                We can see this live happening in Germany. Since last year the pressure the government is exerting onto poor people has increased rapidly. There are constant attacks to weaken the rights employees. Theres literally no reason to do what our current government is doing except to weaken the position of people applying to jobs, because they knew that the state will fuck them in the ass (without consent and without lube) if they dont have a job. This forces people into working conditions they would not accept otherwise.

                Its always the same. If capitalism demands to demolish workers rights the state will usually not hesitate to do exactly this.

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        It happens when Swedish soldiers go to foreign countries - Bosnia, Kosovo, or Afghanistan, for example.

        I’m gay asf, my point is, FUCK WAR. Wars are for the elite pedophile club to send us working class people to die in for them to make more $$$.

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          That’s such a fucking stretch… It’s like saying whoever was the provider of satellite images has “participated in the US bombing” of X. Or, “the store owner participated in the killing of XYZ” because he sold someone the knife…

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            It’s like saying whoever was the provider of satellite images has “participated in the US bombing” of X

            If you provide military intel on targets to a military who then strike them using said intel you are absolutely an accomplice.

            “the store owner participated in the killing of XYZ” because he sold someone the knife…

            More akin to the store owner killed XYZ by pointing them out to the crazed gunman looking for them.

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              If you provide military intel on targets to a military who then strike them using said intel you are absolutely an accomplice.

              If you provide intel on how to drive a car to a person who then drunkenly plows into a group of people, killing them, you are absolutely an accomplice.

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                No but if you provide them the alcohol knowing they plan to drive you are. You are a debate pervert. Tying yourself in knots to justify unjustifiable evil because you benefit from it.

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                  Sweden didn’t provide ammunition, equipment, or men. It provided knowledge. Your example is bad.

                  People like you are always hilarious. It’s like “we will not take part in the alliance because there is a potential that maybe, who knows, some of the knowledge we shared might be used incorrectly”.

                  Grow up. The world is not black and white, it’s not simple, and people are not all-knowing.

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      🏳️‍⚧️: “Never thought I’d die fighting beside a Swede”

      🇸🇪: “Oh no, you misunderstand. I’m sitting back in Malmo piloting the drones.”

      🏳️‍⚧️: “Well, fuck this then, I’m leaving.”

      🇸🇪: “So you just want Trump to win?!”

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      The new Korea redesigned by the US? I’m not sure you’ll find what you’re looking for in the west.