So never buy OnePlus products. Got it. Thanks OnePlus for making the advice so clear!
That’s what I heard. I know Samsung has been doing something like this as well.
Samsung has been blowing fuses in your phone when you root since at least 2015. I know because it happened to me. Never bought one again after that.
Yep, Samsung Knox is the feature name; does it actually prevent things or is it just “tamper evidence” for corporate devices?
According to the linked article it prevents the use of Samsung Pay and access to the Secure Folder (an extra layer of security you can enable that requires a second PIN to be input before you can access certain apps and files). This seems pretty reasonable, the goal is clearly to prevent access to especially sensitive data if someone has stolen the phone.
It’s not reasonable in my opinion.
I can maybe understand not wanting other operating systems in their attestation chain that is protecting a payment system from the standpoint of liability.
All of the other things are entirely hardware features that any OS should be able to use. They’re using the ARM Trusted Execution Environment (ARM TrustZone) and a embedded Secure Element to enable the ability to store cryptographiclly secured files without the system ever having access to the keys.
Both TEEs and eSEs are not a Samsung invention or IP and are enabled by hardware on the device, the TEE is part of the ARM standard and is used in a huge number of other OSs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture_family). Secure Elements are also widely used pieces of hardware supported by innumerable OSs and also a feature of the hardware that you paid for.
GrapheneOS also claims it’s not defending against anything real. Which makes sense as Pixels can clearly maintain security while allowing alternate OSes. So this is just hostile vendor lock-in. Disappointing as there was some speculation that OP would be the GOS OEM, but there’s no way they would do this is that was true.
OnePlus is a Chinese company. Anybody who trusted a Chinese company to respect privacy, consumer rights, and ownership freedom is a complete idiot.
It’s not flashing a custom ROM. It is installing an OS of users choice. Enemy’s language shouldn’t be used if we want things to change
Still custom as it’s not the default
What makes it “custom”? If you install Linux on a laptop that comes with Windows pre-installed, is Linux then a custom OS it’s not being a default? Why phones are any different? Calling it custom you play to the manufacturers pockets making it sound shady and unofficial giving them right to take the control from the customers devices. Soon we won’t own anything we buy.
To me it feels more like a full appliance as it’s not even intended primarily to install anything else.
But I can also see your point as a valid argument.Because for phones they kinda are custom. The smartphone hardware landscape is an absolute clusterfuck of proprietary blobs and closed source drivers and all sorts of shit that makes it so you need a lot of work to customize the base os to work on any particular device. ROMs have rather short lists of compatible phones, and each one of those had to have a build specifically developed for them. You can’t take, say, grapheneos and slap it on any phone you like.
The same applies to every pre-installed OS. They are all customized from AOSP, but only third-party operating systems are called such. That was my point there.
Installing linux on your Dell that came with Windows isn’t “Installing a custom OS.”
Not IMO for phones but hey, it’s a free world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’ve been trained well.
Bruh.
Many users were buying OpenPlus Pro smartphones solely because of the ability to unlock the bootloader and flash custom ROMs. People value freedom and customization. OpenPlus is shooting itself in the foot.
Oppo killed and ate OP a long time ago. They’ve just been wearing their skin like a suit up to this point, but their true nature is obvious at this point.
This is why I bought a pixel 6
This will never stop being funny
Seriously are there any Android brands that do not suck and ship everywhere (not limited to the US/EU markets)??
I believe thay all have shitty operating systems. But some of them have an aftermarket OS available. Pick your OS first, then look for a phone that can run it. Here are the ones I know of:
GrapheneOS
CalyxOS (on hiatus)
Crdriod
LineageOS
google pixel with grapheneos maybe
pixel 10 is pretty repairable hardware wise, some prior ones have glued in battery
I don’t know why this thread is complaining specifically about Chinese OEMs when Samsung has been doing this for years.
Well…So did Samsung with Samsung Knox
I bought a OP 9Pro just before Oppo decimated the company. They moved from Oxygen OS to a poorly camouflaged version of Oppo Color OS and stripped out some of the features that made Oneplus what it was. Oppo also almost completely stopped fixing bugs, even some really serious ones that had been long documented. I recently bought a new phone and didn’t even consider
OneplusOppo.It seems to me that the only reason Oppo would do this is to preserve the revenue they get from selling customer data that should remain private. Otherwise why would Oppo care what OS people run on their hardware?
Hi, could you share what phone you bought? I’m looking for a replacement in the near future and I want to get a headstart on the research.
Bought a Pixel 10. After the last few days I’d only give it a C- review. Google uses their customers as beta testers and leaves all kinds of ridiculous bugs for their customers to deal with. The hardware is nice overall, but Android 16 needs lots of work. This is probably the reason so many Google employees refuse to use Android and buy Iphones.
The bugs Google has knowingly released include a broken volume control that requires the screen to be unlocked and the application be open for some applications, sleep schedules not working reliably, “helpful” nags ignoring the sleep schedule and waking me up in the middle of the night. Last night it was their “Find Hub” (renamed from “Find my Device” for some reason) waking me at 1:30AM to let me know I should set it up. A week ago it was my phone warning me at 3AM that Location was turned off and Accident Detection would not work. There have been more and right now I’m wishing I bought an Iphone. Google doesn’t deserve our business.
That means they were making money by people running their os.
If they spend the money on re-engineering their devices not to allow it, there was a cost advantage to selling your data.
And yet my LinkedIn is still full of people complaining about how much the EU over-regulates
Cause that is expected of China but not EU
Wasn’t OnePlus like worshipped because of how much support for custom ROMs wth
Yes they were and did for about 6 years, 2014-2020ish isn’t a bad run
Holy shit. I wanted to say something constructive, but just…. holy shit. Intentional hard brick of a customer owned device….
Wow, what happened to OnePlus? They used to be so cool. Hell, the first one ran Cyanogen.
They’re basically being folded into Oppo right now. OnePlus as a company is pretty much dead.
“Open” once again being abused as angle to build something for an exit. It sounds like.
they saw GOOGLE was trying to lockdown thier bootloader, or restrict it.
So they said, “Nuh uh, we’re gonna lock it down so you can’t!” Or am I misunderstanding?
If true, this is sabotage of the customers product, and must 100% be illegal in almost any country!!
But my guess is they are limiting this to countries that have absolute shit consumer protection.Things are illegal only when enforced. Otherwise they’re a suggestion at best.
That’s part of how shitty the consumer protection really is.
But common for all, there needs to be complaints before the law is involved.
…oh? I thought every console used this kind of tech as well.
So are console sold with the possibility of changing the OS, only to have that option removed later? There was some issue with PS3, but apart from that I never heard about it.
Ooooh, okay, now I understand. I was referring to the way modern consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can’t load older patches.
But yeah, the PS3 removed the ability to boot Linux which it was explicitly advertised to have and it was a huge thing at the time.
consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can’t load older patches.
Admittedly I was unaware of this, but for consoles it can have a real functional purpose as part of the protection against cheating.
It’s an anti-piracy/homebrew feature. Realistically, nobody is using that for cheating.
No, this is done to ensure there’s no competition when selling games. Why do you think console games are pricier than PC ones? On PC we still have some competition.
“…long enough to become the villain.”
