US Senator Lindsay Graham has just tweeted an article titled “Greta Thunberg sets sail with Gaza flotilla that aims to break Israeli naval blockade,” adding the comment, “Hope Greta and her friends can swim!”

Australian Zionist think tanker Arsen Ostrovsky somehow outdid Graham, tweeting “Oh look, the little jihadi Greta Thunberg is trying to get into Gaza, to show solidarity with Hamas. It would be so sad if something were to happen to her flotilla…”

There’s not a lot that can shock me about Israel and its supporters these days. But if you’d traveled back in time a few years ago it would be hard to explain to someone how we got to a timeline that includes Israel supporters openly advocating the assassination of Greta Thunberg.

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  • SpaceShort@feddit.uk
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    21 days ago

    If we stop giving Ukraine weapons, Russia will just take more of Ukraine. They want conquest. You are literally yourself arguing for Ukraine to become a vassal state of Russia because you know that’s the only thing Russia would tolerate. You are basically agreeing with Russia that Russia is entitled to Ukraine.

    The war started because Russia cannot tolerate an independent Ukraine. You are ignoring Ukraine’s agency. You claim that the US provoked Russia somehow (after Zelensky was elected?) but didn’t explain how.

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      21 days ago

      If we stop giving Ukraine weapons, Russia will just take more of Ukraine.

      Why do you people always care more about imaginary lines in the sand over actual people’s lives?

      You are literally yourself arguing for Ukraine to become a vassal state of Russia

      You are literally arguing for both Ukraine and Russia to be even less - completely subjugated colonies of NATO.

      The war started because Russia cannot tolerate an independent Ukraine.

      The war started after a coup against the Ukrainian government, because it was a blasts attempt to bring NATO military to Russia’s borders. The rest of the world has every right to defend itself against NATO.

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        20 days ago

        “Why do you people always care more about imaginary lines in the sand over actual people’s lives?”

        1. Russia can stop the war at any time but they have continually broken ceasefires.

        2. Ukrainians are fighting this war willingly. Who are we to say that they shouldn’t?

        3. There is a fascist dictatorship on one side of that line and a liberal state on the other.

        4. Whenever that line advances in a certain direction, Ukrainian kids get abducted by Russia.

        • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net
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          Russia can stop the war at any time

          NATO (including Ukraine) can end this war and many other ones at any time, as well. They can stop their subjugation of Korea, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc. They can stop committing terrorist attacks and war crimes in Russia. They can stop doing coups.

          but they have continually broken ceasefires.

          Citation needed.

          Ukrainians are fighting this war willingly

          So ‘willingly’ that they fight military recruiters.

          Even if what you claim here (very vaguely and with no citations) can be said to be true, that doesn’t override the fact that Russia is in the right to defend itself against NATO.

          Who are we to say that they shouldn’t?

          SS troops fought willingly. Who ate we to say they shouldn’t have? /s

          There is a fascist dictatorship on one side of that line and a liberal state on the other.

          Well, given that Ukraine is fond of swastikas and venerates Bandera - an enthusiastic nazi collaborator and Hitler’s pen pal, - and does stuff like collapse bridges onto civilian passenger trains and just in general, and has helped ISIS conquer Syria, and has participated in the invasion of Iraq, we can only conclude that you are knowingly supporting the fascist dictatorship (not that the word ‘dictatorship’ means anything).

          Whenever that line advances in a certain direction, Ukrainian kids get abducted by Russia.

          ‘Children should be forced to live in war zones instead of being evacuated’ is a very bizarre and fascist take.

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      21 days ago

      Turns out that most nation states only have the “agency” that is afforded to them by other more powerful states. Cuba is probably the perfect example of this.

      We can sit here and say that’s bad as much as we like, but that’s not going to change actual reality.

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        20 days ago

        The purpose of institutions like the EU is too stop this. NATO could become this too once the IA fucks off. To defend from both an imperialist Russia and an imperialist US.

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          The purpose of institutions like the EU is too stop this.

          Ah yes, and the purpose of the nazi Axis was to stop colonial subjugation of weaker countries, and not to carry out stuff like the Lebensraum. /s

          The EU are literally some of the main perpetrators of this sort of subjugation.

          NATO could become this too once the IA fucks off.

          Literally the main perpetrators of this stuff.