• Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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    7 months ago

    The following can all be true:

    • The Democrats are a right wing neoliberal party.
    • The Democrats are the most left-wing option that is realistically available to American voters.
    • The Democrats can be pushed further left if American progressives work to do so.
    • The Democrats - at the party level - will resist such a change, but that resistance can still be overcome.
    • In the long term, massive structural overhauls and the downfall of capitalism are the only things that will save America and the world
    • In the near term, voting consistly and enthusiastically for the least bad option can still protect vulnerable groups from harm and create changes that lay the groundwork for those structural overhauls.
    • Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social
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      7 months ago

      That is their entire point. Two party system means that they can take up all space for opposition to Republicans while making their policies bipartisan.

      The Democratic party is entirely built to fight any leftward movement, it isn’t just that the progressives didn’t try. They have been trying for 80 years. It is that the entire party is structured and designed to fight that. That is the actual reason Trump could come from the outside and completely reshape the Republicans, but the Dems can form rank and resist Bernie and the progressives.

      The Democrats have shown overwhelmingly and repeatedly that they would rather lose to Republicans than move at all to the left.

      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        Then primary the bad actors and reform the Democrat party.

        This is your option. There is no other option than violent revolution and I can assure you from spending my entire life in this country that modern Americans don’t have it in them.

        If conservatives can morph the Republican party into the traitorous entity it is now, then liberals can reform the Democrat party to move more to the left.

        History proves party reformation is possible, and inevitable.

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            7 months ago

            Then explain why the entire planet is capitalist and yet other countries have FAR more left leaning parties.

            The Democrat party can be moved left if liberal voters make it happen.

            EDIT: Yo downvoters, start a violent revolution or keep your fucking downvotes to yourself. Or, better yet, submit an idea, if you can, for what you think can be done. Because in reality, your options are start a violent revolution or reform the Democrat party. There are no viable 3rd parties in America and none are even trying to be viable. Use your fucking brains instead of your fingers to downvote. You are part of the problem.

            EDIT 2: Honestly, my bad guys. I didn’t notice I was in .ml. The lack of common sense makes a lot more sense now.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              Depends on what you’re talking about, but usually it either means they are in the global south, or have otherwise had a longer history of working class organization or proximity to socialist countries. Not by voting.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      Point 3 is wrong. The working classes in the States are already increasingly left, while the DNC is increasingly rightward. The DNC doesn’t care about what voters want, but what their donors need. That’s why it’s critical to engage with parties like PSL.

    • haui@lemmygrad.ml
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      While those are technically true, they are inconseuqential at best, plain wrong at worst.

      Yes, the dems could be pushed left a little over a long time in theory. But practice has shown that this is not achievable since all other material circumstances are against it.

      The “least bad” option is a communist party, absolutely not the dems.

      Voting is not going to help half as many people than going to the next soup kitchen or neighborhood meetup and organize there.

      I hate these soc dem apology posts. Biden has blood on his hands up to his shoulders.