In the same way being shot in the liver is better than being shot in the back of the head, sure. But if I saw someone saying victims of shootings that got bodyshot are “shitting on it for no reason” and “they only hate that their bullet scar is ugly” I’d call them out too.
Just cause something is better than the absolute worst doesn’t mean it’s immune from all criticism. There’s probably a fallacy name for this, but I don’t know it off the top of my head… I shall call it “the starving kid fallacy” for now after the classic example of “there are starving kids in africa so you should eat your vegetables” that parents do… and it the same way OP is doing by saying “there are homeless people, so you should be content with living in a commie block”. It’s just guilt tripping people for being dissatisfied with their situation for no particular gain other than a perceived moral high ground
Ok im gonna try typing out some of the observations of living in commie blocks from personal experience as well as some stories from my friends. Im also spoilering it for anyone who doesn’t want to read the list… also also… not a comprehensive list of everything, just what I can think of on my lunch break
here goes
The first thing to point out in my opinion is the construction:
The construction of these were often rushed so at best they require expensive renovations and at worst they collapse, see tofu dreg in china
Safety:
This is something I remember from my safety classes back in school. We had to make a fire escape plan for our houses, with at least 2 exits… which I really struggled with cause I lived on a high floor, so no jumpimg out the window, and no fire escapes only meant I could do 1. So the commie apartments don’t meet our modern safety standards
Location:
A lot of this down to the economic collapse of various commusist countries, but many of them are quite literally in a middle of nowhere, in terms of finding a job. This is something I struggled with a lot, cause any job I could find would require a car to commute
Parking space:
The commie blocks were often designed with green space in mind which would be nice, if they weren’t also not designed with the idea of every household having a car, so when you have 16 parking spaces and the rest of the 40 cars in the mud that was once grass they start to look a lot more depressing
Accesability:
The majority of commie blocks had no elevators, with the exception of quite tall ones. And even then the elevator usually started at the first floor rather than ground floor. This means if you’re disabled and the only available social housing is commie blocks… tough shit cause you’re not getting in. I know someone who’s a single mother with a disabled adult daughter who’s she the primary caretaker off. She would have to carry her daugher up and down a flight of stairs everyday, and then also drag the electric wheelchair up
Renovations:
Pretty simple - the apartments are usually owned by individuals, rather than a housing company, and getting all 60 or so people to agree to renovate the outside of the building is imposible, with both poorer people and older people stubborn to change, as well as alcoholics and the like
Utilities/equipment:
Many of the commie blocks in my area didn’t have city gas, that means for cooking anything you either had to have an electric stove, or more commonly from what I’ve seen buy big gas tanks and lug them up to your floor. They also lacked extractor fans, so I hope you like greasy walls
Insulation:
Have you seen soviet wall carpets? It’s cause even with the windows closed you could feel the breeze through the walls. The winters there meant multiple jackets indoors, and the summers were unbearably hot too
Insulation pt 2:
With high humidity it also meant mold. Fun right?
Insulation pt 3:
No noise insulation either. At least meant the cops got called a lot for all the spousal abuse
Although it does appear that living in them was better than living in a tent and perhaps led to living in a better housing situation? Unless the place was demolished after you moved out, it would be better than a tent for someone else.
Bad housing is better than no housing, largely in part that it helps people get out of the inertia and deathspiral of homelessness.
There’s a minimum a society should provide, and public housing at least can satisfy that.
The issue is that you presume the options are either public housing or a tent. You are missing the other option, which is simply allowing developers to build more housing on their own and removing the ability to speculate on land value, forcing land owners to earn an income only by the benefit their land provides to others. Zoning reform, good urban infrastructure, and Georgist tax policy do this without necessitating terrible concrete commie blocks everywhere
Please tell me where this has been tried. I know of no major government entity which has enacted Georgist tax policy.
If you hate capitalism, you are missing the big picture - the enemy of the average person isn’t the accumulation of money and respurces, but the accumulation of power - money and resources being but one aspect of this. Capitalism is good because it mostly occupies the psychopaths with becoming rich, rather than seeking seats of power in government. Capitalism is the best form of innovation and resource distribution we have yet devised, and works well for people with proper safeguards in place preventing accumulation of too much wealth and ensuring the welfare of the average citizen.
You’re partially right, dengism has caused the single largest improvement to the quality of life for its adherents in history compared to all other economic ideologies, and part of dengism is capitalism exclusively for luxury items. But all other forms of capitalism have objectively failed society. Capitalism itself is the evil factor, it is a poison.
Poisons can be used as medicine when you’re sick, but taking that moderate amount of poison too long will kill you the same as an acute dose.
You cannot easily fight back against those with capital, so the accumulation of capital will always result in the accumulation of power. There is not amount of guardrails that help forever. The goal must always be to eliminate capitalism and the private ownership of capital entirely.
As someone from a post-soviet country, and had to live in one of those… there’s plenty of reasons to shit on them.
Indeed. There is a hierarchy.
Commie blocks are better than tents.
But proper social housing is better than commie blocks.
And proper social housing mixed with middle class owner-occupied housing in the same neighborhoods and even within the same buildings is the best.
Honestly if I wasn’t busy at work I’d make a whole list of why commie blocks are bad, including why they hardly make good social housing
For anyone interested, there are multitudes of videos on YouTube showing commie blocks and why they are bad, so don’t feel bad for focusing on work.
Anyone interested can find the information with an easy search.
Are they better than nothing?
In the same way being shot in the liver is better than being shot in the back of the head, sure. But if I saw someone saying victims of shootings that got bodyshot are “shitting on it for no reason” and “they only hate that their bullet scar is ugly” I’d call them out too.
Just cause something is better than the absolute worst doesn’t mean it’s immune from all criticism. There’s probably a fallacy name for this, but I don’t know it off the top of my head… I shall call it “the starving kid fallacy” for now after the classic example of “there are starving kids in africa so you should eat your vegetables” that parents do… and it the same way OP is doing by saying “there are homeless people, so you should be content with living in a commie block”. It’s just guilt tripping people for being dissatisfied with their situation for no particular gain other than a perceived moral high ground
Privileged people that have never known suffering should not be allowed to have an opinion on this.
If we got rid of all zoning this would occur naturally. Its our distortion of the free market that’s ruined our cities.
Ok im gonna try typing out some of the observations of living in commie blocks from personal experience as well as some stories from my friends. Im also spoilering it for anyone who doesn’t want to read the list… also also… not a comprehensive list of everything, just what I can think of on my lunch break
here goes
Just to name a few :3… im gonna go eat now
Although it does appear that living in them was better than living in a tent and perhaps led to living in a better housing situation? Unless the place was demolished after you moved out, it would be better than a tent for someone else.
Bad housing is better than no housing, largely in part that it helps people get out of the inertia and deathspiral of homelessness.
There’s a minimum a society should provide, and public housing at least can satisfy that.
The issue is that you presume the options are either public housing or a tent. You are missing the other option, which is simply allowing developers to build more housing on their own and removing the ability to speculate on land value, forcing land owners to earn an income only by the benefit their land provides to others. Zoning reform, good urban infrastructure, and Georgist tax policy do this without necessitating terrible concrete commie blocks everywhere
That has failed everywhere it’s been tried. Capitalists will never intentionally make less money. They don’t have souls.
They will always just build cheaply built ‘luxury’ apartments/condos destined to be demolished in 20 years so another developer can do the same thing.
Please tell me where this has been tried. I know of no major government entity which has enacted Georgist tax policy.
If you hate capitalism, you are missing the big picture - the enemy of the average person isn’t the accumulation of money and respurces, but the accumulation of power - money and resources being but one aspect of this. Capitalism is good because it mostly occupies the psychopaths with becoming rich, rather than seeking seats of power in government. Capitalism is the best form of innovation and resource distribution we have yet devised, and works well for people with proper safeguards in place preventing accumulation of too much wealth and ensuring the welfare of the average citizen.
You’re partially right, dengism has caused the single largest improvement to the quality of life for its adherents in history compared to all other economic ideologies, and part of dengism is capitalism exclusively for luxury items. But all other forms of capitalism have objectively failed society. Capitalism itself is the evil factor, it is a poison.
Poisons can be used as medicine when you’re sick, but taking that moderate amount of poison too long will kill you the same as an acute dose.
You cannot easily fight back against those with capital, so the accumulation of capital will always result in the accumulation of power. There is not amount of guardrails that help forever. The goal must always be to eliminate capitalism and the private ownership of capital entirely.