• bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net
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    3 months ago

    Violence is always the answer. The questions are simple:

    How do we gain a political advantage? How do we gain an economic advantage? How do we gain a social advantage?

    Anyone that says violence is not the answer doesn’t understand the tools that marginalize them and the people they care about.

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    3 months ago

    I feel like you’ve built two straw-men and conflated them together. I haven’t seen anybody arguing either case on the left side of the meme in response to the images depicted (or similar) on the right side of the meme. People wanting to send weapons to Ukraine generally tend to also say it doesn’t have a Nazi problem (and may compare Russia with Nazis), and people wanting pacifism in Palestine also don’t like weapons and support sent to Israel.

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        This comment section wasn’t so full or censored when I commented that, and I know the ones I saw before they were censored weren’t saying that.

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    Love how in the first image you show the best part of the Palestinian people (which I do think is very much in the majority), but then in the second image you show the worst part of the Ukrainian people (which are very much in the minority).

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        That’s hardly a ‘lib move’, more like an ingrained human reaction to justify practically every action ever.

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        Are you saying I am doing that here? The only thing I said was saying that the image is a little bit weird. Or do you think the majority of ukraine are nazi’s?

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          Are you saying I am doing that here?

          To be precise, mostly the latter of my comment applies, yes.

          Do you think the majority of ukraine are nazi’s?

          Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what I think, see the linked posts for details, feel free to challenge any of the sources while providing your own.

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            I don’t see a source that claims that anywhere near the majority of Ukrainians are nazi’s. Would you mind pointing me to that source?

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              I don’t see how my comment could be interpreted as claiming “majority”. The point is, you’re downplaying the rampant Nazi problem and its effects within Ukraine, which is ingrained in many aspects (see the sources) and practically institutionalized. the fact that you want to contest this speaks volume to your character.

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    This is so far from each other and also not helping the people in palestine in their horrible Situation. You are actually harming them by softening their role in this crisis. Its not Israel against Palestrina. Its the Israeligovermentt and Hamas against the people of Israel and Palestine.

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    There will be violence in Ukraine regardless of whether weapons are sent there or not. The second option will make it so there’s noone to police the russians. Pretty much like palestinians can’t do much about israelis slaughtering them.

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      NATO had buit the largest of any European armies there and they were slaughtering the ethnic Russians, nobody was crying about policing them were they?

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            No shit Sherlock, then include a source for this info so I can educate myself. Cuz a quick search turned up nothing like this.

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                No. Propagandist is.

                No one knowing what you’re saying is a problem, but that’s a you problem. Everyone who reads what you wrote is confused because what you’re saying sounds like the ravings of a lunatic. No one knows what you’re talking about. We’ve never heard of these events you’re alluding to. So either show proof of them or we’re going to write you off as another propaganda shill

                But you knew all of this because it’s 2025 and no one on lemmy doesn’t understand how the Internet works. Which means you’re lying for a purpose. You’re a propagandist.

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                  LOL 8 YEARS is hard to ignore. Couldn’t look that up with all your interwebs knowledge?
                  I don’t know who your WE is that doesn’t see this but that’s probably part of your crappy propaganda outfit.
                  Anyone with a brain knows what happened and is going on.
                  The reality is catching up with you and you’re embarrassing, nothing more.
                  Propaganda only goes so far, especially if you’re on the wrong side.
                  So enjoy what is coming, you deserve it fully.

      • Soolonkivi@lemm.ee
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        So what you meant to say is: "I think

        NATO had buit the largest of any European armies there and they were slaughtering the ethnic Russians, nobody was crying about policing them were they?

        But I have no sources other than my thoughts to support this view."

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      hmm… And why would you say supporting Russia and Palestine count has “understanding geopolitics”? I say this as someone who does not know too much about it.

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        Both work against US Imperial Hegemony. Palestinian liberation is fully supported as it’s a national liberation movement for people subjected to settler-colonial genocide, critical support for Russia is due to it currently working against US dominance, which is the primary obstacle for Humanity to progress economically into a more equitable global system.

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    Israel has controlled the USG for decades now. We support Israel because they have been intricately and impressively spying on us since at least the 1980s and bought and paid for most of our politicians. It’s just that simple, they own our politicians, and therefore: when they do heinous evil, our politicians look away.

    Ukraine was invaded by our largest rival on the world stage as a power grab, and NATO decided to help.

    The two situations are not comparable in the slightest.

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      Other way around, the US supports Israel because it secures the US Empire’s interests in the region. Israel does not have nearly the power necessary to control the US, this line of thinking fails to analyze the real standings of the two countries. Presumably unintentionally on your part, the “Israel controls the US” narrative is actually pushed heavily by anti-semites, it perpetuates the notion that Jewish people control the world in a manner that recognizes the genocide of Palestinians. This is why correct analysis is important, as false conclusions aid the fascists. Anti-Zionism is correct, as is Palestinian liberation, but the US is not a victim here but is intentionally perpetuating it.

      As for NATO and Ukraine, NATO countries are “helping out” not out of any moral reason, but to make hefty profits off of IMF loans and resource/mineral contracts. Additionally, Russia is not the US Empire’s largest rival on the world stage, China is. It’s true that Russia goes against the US, but it hasn’t been a world power since the dissolution of the USSR, when the reintroduction of Capitalism obliterated Russia’s economy.