• The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the well-being of the country is of any concern to him?

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      14 hours ago

      Honestly, looking from the outside on US politics I have a hard time remembering a presidential candidate, besides Bernie Sanders, that seem to care for the average people living in the US.

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        13 hours ago

        We’ve all seen the memes about Jimmy Carter looking for other presidents in heaven. If you wanted to generalize that any sitting president is automatically the current worst person in the world you wouldn’t be wrong half the time, but there’s a little more nuance to the awfulness. Trump is actively running the country poorly with intent to harm, which is going to be quite a lot worse than the guy from Scranton whose life work was to buy time for a doomed and destructive status quo. Although the “steer into the iceberg” theory always has its adherents, I’m not confident that leads to acceptable outcomes.

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          13 hours ago

          I don’t think Trump is actively trying to harm the country. If he could make more money and get more power by being green and woke he’d do that.

          I just think he does whatever gets him more money and power and he does not care about the consequences to the nation at all.

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            12 hours ago

            There are dots left conspicuously unconnected in that picture of Trump. This is a man who has more than once been seen eating secret paper messages, reputedly keeps a copy of Mein Kampf on his bedside table, was frequently seen in the company of Epstein, and had an unprecedented off-record meeting with Putin. Think back on the Steele dossier, the Muller report, the foreign influence in our elections, the countless breaches in protocol and intelligence (the Mar A Lago documents scandal) that got several of our intelligence agents and soldiers killed abroad. Consider also the fact that most of his businesses fail during one of America’s most economically powerful runs in history and still refuses to release his tax returns, he does not fit the picture of a conventional businessman. Further, there is no serious economic theorist or example in history to substantiate his destructive economic and isolationist policies. Even a fully incompetent man in his position would have done many things differently, given how hard American society makes it for wealthy men to fail.

            I don’t expect this conspiratorial line of reasoning will sway you in this moment, I’ll be happy if all you do is laugh in my face honestly. My only goal here is for you to, occasionally if his actions confuse you, check in with the hypothesis that he might be some kind of fifth columnist. If he is walking like a duck and you think you heard a quack, he might not be a turkey after all.

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              10 hours ago

              I’m not going to laugh at you. I like having discussions with people that see things differently than myself.

              I definitely agree that Trump is a fifth columnist as he’ll work for whoever pays him well or who can give him more power. He doesn’t give two shits about the US.

              My entire point is I don’t think he does it to destroy stuff or to be evil. He does things purely based on what he perceives can benefit him. Often those things won’t actually benefit him, but he’s not that smart so he’ll do it anyway.

              The epstein scandal is a good example. I doubt most of the people who partook in the sex with underage girls was thinking "let me destroy as much as I can of this young girls life. They just see a pretty young girl they’d like to fuck and they don’t care about the consequences.

              Generally I think a lot of our conspiracy theories tend to make things more complicated than they are. Most of the time, evil is being done because someone wants more money, power or sex.

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                10 hours ago

                You’re exactly right, it’s money, power, and sex. I never meant to portray this as cartoonish malevolence or some kind of profound evil - only the banal sort enacted by the world’s most disappointing sorts of men, unimaginative, greedy, cruel, and immature. They have forever been humanity’s cross to bear.

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                  8 hours ago

                  And probably will be our cross to bear forever.

                  It’s the ironic thing about power. Generally the people who end up in power are the ones seeking it and they’re generally the people you least want to lead you.