…what jaws of victory? The Dems were literally never projected to win by a majority of polls at any point during the election cycle.
I don’t suppose being up against a senile rapist who fellates his microphone in front of a crowd and peddles deeply unpopular policies at all counts as a victory that should be, by all rights, a layup, except for the fact that Dem messaging is and has always been pure dogshit?
GOP voters were never going to vote anything other than Trump. Abstainers (and, for the record, FUCK them for not caring about literal fascism) largely saw no point in turning out for the Dems for a lack of inspiring message.
Bruh, I was full-throated in my support of the Dems because I understood the importance of maintaining enthusiasm for turnout. You can check my comment history if you like. Arguing against people shitting on the Dems when the alternative was literal fascism made up a great deal of my activity these past few months.
But the election’s over now. We can bitch now without worrying about depressing turnout amongst those with the memories of goldfish who only remember the last comment they read. It’s safe, at least until the next election cycle revs up again. And, in fact, if we do not bitch now, we risk not knowing how to correct our mistakes next time.
Some people expect unconditional worship of Democrats at all times. You only expected it for like a year. Enjoy being called a trumper for it like you called anyone who dared say boo to Bidenyahu.
As if it would make a difference. Success doesn’t matter if your PR arm can’t meaningfully capitalize on it. The Dems could bring up fully automated luxury gay space communism to the US with total success, and their obsession with being an inclusive, big-tent party, like it’s the mid-2000s, would make them unable to campaign on it.
We’re the politically involved, man. It’s not us that need the messaging. It’s the mass of American voters who don’t remember anything if the drum isn’t being beaten 24/7.
Maybe Harris should’ve made it a centerpiece of her campaign rather than the message of normality, ‘they go low we go high’, and ‘being the adults in the room’ style of ‘bipartisanship’ which appeals to Beltway types and other such Very Important Commenters, but is viewed indifferently by most of the country.
Fuck, man, I’m not trying to assign 100% of the blame to the Dems. This election was fucked from top to bottom, and ultimately the responsibility lays with the American people for voting in fascism. But it’s hard not to be pissed at the Dems for trying nothing new and being all out of ideas.
Well I’m pretty glad they tried something like the IRA, chips, and infrastructure.
I’m explicitly talking about campaigning, not policy. Unfortunately, campaigning matters as much as, or more than, policy, when it comes to winning elections.
Or maybe they shouldn’t have punted on things that had immediate tangible benefits to individuals and then gloat about the IRA which, while a positive, was largely bereft of tangible individual benefits.
Particularly after a very long, very public dismantling of every benefit of BBB and then killing it entirely. And then we saw the minimum wage increase die. So we saw Democrats show their true colors toward people who were struggling, and expected us to be happy with something where the only tangible individual benefit was 10 reduced drug prices for boomers on medicare. In 2026. And increasing the length of subsidies for the ACA.
As far as individuals are concerned, they were picking around the edges and ordering us to be happy about it. People had every right to ask “what’s in it for me?” after Democrats’ golden boy Manchin killed BBB. The answer was lacking.
And calling it the Inflation Reduction Act was a sick joke.
EDIT: I forgot about how Manchin was also the deciding vote to kill the expanded child tax credit, doubling child poverty overnight.
The Inflation Reduction Act or IRA signed by President Biden back in 2022 invest close to $370 billion to combat climate change, and to date, there’s been more than $100 billion in private investment and roughly 100,000 new jobs created in clean energy manufacturing.
Unsure how reducing drug prices for those on Medicare is a criticism…
Continued negotiations between Manchin and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer eventually resulted in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which was signed into law in August 2022, and incorporated some of the Build Back Better Act’s climate change, healthcare, and tax reform proposals while excluding its social safety net proposals.
Calling Manchin any sort of “golden boy” of the Dems tells me everything I need to know about this line of discussion. And that I’m not gonna continue with you because this is venturing more into unfounded personal opinion than fact. I can see you prefer to consider Manchin some sort of instrument Democrats employed to deny people the benefits of the full BBB rather than an outlier of the Democratic party who, along with sinema, voted more in line with Republicans than Democrats. Saying “Democrats showed their true colors” is disgustingly disingenuous.
Wow yeah he’s just up there suckin’ away this will surely be the thing that gets him and definitely isn’t him playing the media and the crowd like a fiddle!
I don’t suppose being up against a senile rapist who fellates his microphone in front of a crowd and peddles deeply unpopular policies at all counts as a victory that should be, by all rights, a layup, except for the fact that Dem messaging is and has always been pure dogshit?
Those jaws.
Oh, you’re one of the people that think the average American doesn’t support those things.
I hope you maintain your sense of innocence. I gave up.
Half of America loves him. None of those things seem to bother them. They were never going to vote dem.
They definitely fucked up but let’s not pretend Trump isn’t loved by way to many Americans.
You’ve maybe spent too long in the echo chamber.
GOP voters were never going to vote anything other than Trump. Abstainers (and, for the record, FUCK them for not caring about literal fascism) largely saw no point in turning out for the Dems for a lack of inspiring message.
Democrats moved to the right to try to get Republican votes. It failed. They will learn nothing and do it again.
Voters didn’t turn out for Dems because of people like yourself constantly shitting on Dems with [FUD](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt#%3A~%3Atext=Fear%2C+uncertainty%2C+and+doubt+(%2Cof+the+appeal+to+fear.)
Bruh, I was full-throated in my support of the Dems because I understood the importance of maintaining enthusiasm for turnout. You can check my comment history if you like. Arguing against people shitting on the Dems when the alternative was literal fascism made up a great deal of my activity these past few months.
But the election’s over now. We can bitch now without worrying about depressing turnout amongst those with the memories of goldfish who only remember the last comment they read. It’s safe, at least until the next election cycle revs up again. And, in fact, if we do not bitch now, we risk not knowing how to correct our mistakes next time.
So you shit on dems for years until right before the election and expect voters to forget about all that shitting you’ve done at the last second…
It doesn’t work like that.
Fuck’s sake.
Some people expect unconditional worship of Democrats at all times. You only expected it for like a year. Enjoy being called a trumper for it like you called anyone who dared say boo to Bidenyahu.
If only it had been 2 trillion…
As if it would make a difference. Success doesn’t matter if your PR arm can’t meaningfully capitalize on it. The Dems could bring up fully automated luxury gay space communism to the US with total success, and their obsession with being an inclusive, big-tent party, like it’s the mid-2000s, would make them unable to campaign on it.
Weird, I’ve heard of the IRA, chips, and infrastructure act from the Dems.
We’re the politically involved, man. It’s not us that need the messaging. It’s the mass of American voters who don’t remember anything if the drum isn’t being beaten 24/7.
Maybe they should have put it on the news.
Maybe Harris should’ve made it a centerpiece of her campaign rather than the message of normality, ‘they go low we go high’, and ‘being the adults in the room’ style of ‘bipartisanship’ which appeals to Beltway types and other such Very Important Commenters, but is viewed indifferently by most of the country.
Fuck, man, I’m not trying to assign 100% of the blame to the Dems. This election was fucked from top to bottom, and ultimately the responsibility lays with the American people for voting in fascism. But it’s hard not to be pissed at the Dems for trying nothing new and being all out of ideas.
Well I’m pretty glad they tried something like the IRA, chips, and infrastructure.
Where in your comments did you assign any blame to anyone else but here?
I’m explicitly talking about campaigning, not policy. Unfortunately, campaigning matters as much as, or more than, policy, when it comes to winning elections.
Or maybe they shouldn’t have punted on things that had immediate tangible benefits to individuals and then gloat about the IRA which, while a positive, was largely bereft of tangible individual benefits.
Particularly after a very long, very public dismantling of every benefit of BBB and then killing it entirely. And then we saw the minimum wage increase die. So we saw Democrats show their true colors toward people who were struggling, and expected us to be happy with something where the only tangible individual benefit was 10 reduced drug prices for boomers on medicare. In 2026. And increasing the length of subsidies for the ACA.
As far as individuals are concerned, they were picking around the edges and ordering us to be happy about it. People had every right to ask “what’s in it for me?” after Democrats’ golden boy Manchin killed BBB. The answer was lacking.
And calling it the Inflation Reduction Act was a sick joke.
EDIT: I forgot about how Manchin was also the deciding vote to kill the expanded child tax credit, doubling child poverty overnight.
Odd, I find none of this personal opinion resonating in reality. IRA led directly to ~100000 new jobs.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-look-at-the-economic-impact-and-progress-of-bidens-inflation-reduction-act-so-far
Unsure how reducing drug prices for those on Medicare is a criticism…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better_Plan
Calling Manchin any sort of “golden boy” of the Dems tells me everything I need to know about this line of discussion. And that I’m not gonna continue with you because this is venturing more into unfounded personal opinion than fact. I can see you prefer to consider Manchin some sort of instrument Democrats employed to deny people the benefits of the full BBB rather than an outlier of the Democratic party who, along with sinema, voted more in line with Republicans than Democrats. Saying “Democrats showed their true colors” is disgustingly disingenuous.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joe_manchin/412391
Have a good day!
Edit: nice tonal edits to your comment. I definitely won’t be responding to such bad faith discussion.
Edit 2: reading the source I posted answers your question… Highlighted the section you didn’t read.
Got a source on that, or is that just the PR?
You know that was a heavily edited gif right? He didn’t stand there and pretend he was blowing the mic.
Are you being fucking serious right now
It’s sad to see the left buying into the same kind of idiocy the MAGAts do but it’s pretty much exactly what I expected.
What part of that video clip is a heavily edited gif?
Wow yeah he’s just up there suckin’ away this will surely be the thing that gets him and definitely isn’t him playing the media and the crowd like a fiddle!
Ok. What part of that video clip was the heavily edited gif?
A gif wasn’t linked, a video was, which I commented on. Some of yall are getting played and can’t see it.
You can find and post the heavily edited gif if you like, it was all over lemmy and people were talking about it like it mattered at all.
Some of yall certainly are, my friend, you certainly are.
4D chessmaster playing everyone by jerking off and sucking on an imaginary mic. What a genius.