i would argue that american liberalism has been pretty successful historically, though it’s had rough times over the years, we are a new nation, so that is to be expected. And a lot of those were fairly global at one point.
So i’m not really sure i follow the inability of it to function in society. Although i don’t think liberalism functions properly in society primarily because people are improperly using it, and then getting surprised when it doesnt work.
fullness and equality of responsibility for its citizens.
also this is a fairly strict way of defining a political ideology, the most broad way to define it would be “a governmental form of societal cohesion to promote function as a unit towards a common goal” There are broader ways to define it, but you start getting outside of politics at that point, and into society at large.
My point was that liberalism functions pretty similarly to monarchy or and kind of tyranny when those conditions about responsibility are not met.
Not a new idea too, digging through treasure troves of antique literature one can find it said many times. Not just equality, but fullness of responsibility. You can lay down the responsibility for your existence and actions.
i’m not sure how you’re defining this. But if we’re going by a governmental definition, the modern chinese government would be quite a bit newer, but the chinese people, and previous governments have existed LONG before. The US as a nation, and as a government is considerably newer than basically every existing nation, even more so when considering scale.
My point was that liberalism functions pretty similarly to monarchy or and kind of tyranny when those conditions about responsibility are not met.
i think i’m following, but i don’t see how this is explicitly unique to something like liberalism. I think this is an objective challenge for basically all forms of government, including tyrannical ones.
Yes, that’s exactly my point. Every valuable political ideology works at keeping some important dimension in the minds of the masses. There’s none as far as I can see in that part about responsibility. That is, it was existent in fringe things I’ve read about religion and deontology in my childhood\teens, in the context of science and philosophy and ethics, but not generally popular.
interesting, that’s definitely a concern as far as politics go, and a primary reason i tend be political nihilist, i guess i’ve just never thought about it in that particular manner before lol.
i would argue that american liberalism has been pretty successful historically, though it’s had rough times over the years, we are a new nation, so that is to be expected. And a lot of those were fairly global at one point.
So i’m not really sure i follow the inability of it to function in society. Although i don’t think liberalism functions properly in society primarily because people are improperly using it, and then getting surprised when it doesnt work.
also this is a fairly strict way of defining a political ideology, the most broad way to define it would be “a governmental form of societal cohesion to promote function as a unit towards a common goal” There are broader ways to define it, but you start getting outside of politics at that point, and into society at large.
Not really.
My point was that liberalism functions pretty similarly to monarchy or and kind of tyranny when those conditions about responsibility are not met.
Not a new idea too, digging through treasure troves of antique literature one can find it said many times. Not just equality, but fullness of responsibility. You can lay down the responsibility for your existence and actions.
i’m not sure how you’re defining this. But if we’re going by a governmental definition, the modern chinese government would be quite a bit newer, but the chinese people, and previous governments have existed LONG before. The US as a nation, and as a government is considerably newer than basically every existing nation, even more so when considering scale.
i think i’m following, but i don’t see how this is explicitly unique to something like liberalism. I think this is an objective challenge for basically all forms of government, including tyrannical ones.
Yes, that’s exactly my point. Every valuable political ideology works at keeping some important dimension in the minds of the masses. There’s none as far as I can see in that part about responsibility. That is, it was existent in fringe things I’ve read about religion and deontology in my childhood\teens, in the context of science and philosophy and ethics, but not generally popular.
interesting, that’s definitely a concern as far as politics go, and a primary reason i tend be political nihilist, i guess i’ve just never thought about it in that particular manner before lol.