• FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    2 months ago

    tipping should be illegal because it leads to underpaid workers. but until tipping becomes illegal, you are a fucking asshole if you don’t tip. you’re not sticking it to the man, you’re just shitting on a minimum wage worker because m-muh principles. grow up or move to a country where they don’t tip

    • C126@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      I hate that argument though. “You shouldn’t enjoy things because you should pay more than the advertised, because that’s just how things are”. Change doesn’t happen unless change happens. Basically, if you want tipping culture to change, you actually have to start changing tipping culture.

      • CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 months ago

        And you think the best way to do that is by stopping waitresses from being able to feed their kids? Because that’s the only thing that will happen if you don’t tip

        • marx2k@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Overwhelmingly when polled, waits staff much prefer to keep tipping over a living wage. They make far more from tips. Trust me, me not giving a waitress a tip isn’t the line that keeps he kids from dying of hunger.

          • CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            You alone won’t, but you would definitely be directly contributing to her being closer to said line

            • marx2k@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              2 months ago

              Ultimately, the restaurant industry’s management tier collectively agreeing with wait staff that wait staff doesn’t require a working wage and depending on handouts from customers is a fine solution is the problem.

              Quite honestly, that isn’t my problem. I’m there for some food, not to be guilted into running a charity function to make up for greedy management and a staff that prefers this bullshit.

              • CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 month ago

                If they had to pay their staff more, prices would be higher. If prices are higher, not as many people can afford to go, resulting in prices going up even more. When waiters can rely on tips instead of just the hourly wage, they are given the chance of getting a really nice tip from someone who is generous, resulting in more money than without the tips. By not tipping, you are relying on the generosity of others to keep the workers you aren’t tipping above the line. If you think they don’t deserve to be tipped, don’t go there, otherwise you’re being a mooch in the society you live in, even if it’s in a minor way.

                • marx2k@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  Sorry, but I pay for the food and if I feel its deserved, the service. Being a mooch would be not paying g for the food.

                  Do away with tipping and food prices go up by the cost of paying workers a fair wage. To the consumer it ends up being an even trade. Ultimately, the only group getting hurt is the owners.

                  It works fine in other countries but can’t in the US because…?

                  • CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 month ago

                    You can look at it however you want, but if you aren’t tipping in the US, you are a MOOCH. It doesn’t matter if you disagree, that is the truth in the society you live in.

                    Should employers pay their employees more? Absolutely! But I don’t have control over that and you don’t either. What we do have control over, is how much we tip. If you want to change the society you live in; making waiters and waitresses go without, isn’t the way.