We have over a period of time gotten repeated reports of unmarked NSFW posts in certain communities. All of these communities share the same singular mod, who have shown indifference when content has been reported. As leaving NSFW posts unmarked is against our instance rules, we have moved to set the rule-breaking communities to hidden.
Those of you who subscribe to hidden communities will continue to see them as normal, for everyone else these communities will look empty and hidden from c/all.
The newly hidden communities are:
- !thiccmoe@ani.social
- !cybermoe@ani.social
- !fitmoe@lemmy.world
- !kemonomoe@ani.social
- !streetmoe@ani.social
- !midriffmoe@ani.social
- !fangmoe@ani.social
- !murdermoe@lemmy.world
- !officemoe@ani.social
- !gothmoe@ani.social
- !meganemoe@ani.social
- !morphmoe@ani.social
- !militarymoe@ani.social
We would also like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that programming.dev’s policy is to by default hide political communities, pornographic communities and communities hosting bot spam. Users seeking such content can subscribe to hidden communities so see them as normal.
Just recently we also went ahead and hid communities from lemmygrad due to the politics clause.
As always we encourage our local users to report content that break our instance rules. All content you report are seen by the admin team and helps inform the team of what’s going on across the fediverse.
Discussions are getting off-topic and this is an announcement post, not a discussion post, so I’m locking the post.
If local users want to have an in-depth discussion regarding admin moderation of programming.dev, you’re encouraged to make a discussion thread in !meta@programming.dev.
I think I have actually hidden all of those already since idk who moe is I didn’t care. 😂 Who is moe?
I’ve tried to hide all the moes but it feels sisyphean. I hide cyber moe, military moe, office moe… but the next day someone is going to start taco moe and I will see a half naked girl with cheese hair and a lettuce bra. There is no escape.
Well I wouldn’t have if you didn’t give me the idea. It’s taco time.
I think he’s that Simpsons barkeep
(real answer, it means cute, more or less, in Japanese. pronounced “Mo-eh”)
Hidden communities are a good feature.
It is unfortunate that it reduces discovery, but as marking posts NSFW when I think they aren’t also suppresses discovery, I don’t consider this a loss in the slightest.
The opposite. Hidden, but available, is a very good place to be for a lot of the content I post.
Instances can and should run their operations the way they see fit, hence creating a diverse range of options for users on what kind of “front page” they’d like to see.
Hence my affinity for sopuli, which straight up defederates instances that host mostly pornography, as that is a genre of content I have no interest in consuming or sharing.
I do take some issue with presenting my threshold for what constitutes NSFW to be “indifference”, but that’s a diplomatic issue. I am not indefferent in moderating my communities, and I’m a little insulted anyone would come to that interpretation given they actually looked into my actions.
People have different sensibilities, and while I have used reports and comments to gauge where that line is for others, I don’t see the utility in erring on the side of caution beyond a certain point.
No, it’s completely indifference to other people’s desire to use NSFW to mean Not Suitable For Work.
I certainly don’t work in an environment where having cartoons of scantily clad girls in suggestive poses on my phone screen in my lunch hour is in any way acceptable, and I don’t think I’m unusual in that.
You don’t care about that, you’ve made that very clear in the past, you just care about how many views you can get for your adolescent-look content which is “mildly arousing” - your words, not mine.
I don’t know why you think “mildly arousing” is somehow safe content to browse at work.
So yeah, you’ve expressed absolute indifference to other people’s need for a clean feed by refusing to tag your content appropriately. You harm the fediverse by trying to impose your will,
Thank you for hiding that, I was sick of it.
Your feed will not be affected, as this is a decision affecting programming.dev.
Your account is on sh.itjust.works.
If you’d like to remove my communities from your feed, I list them all in the sidebars on each of them, so you could block them from there.
And I do not currently have plans to set up any more.
I don’t believe it’s hidden for you, as the OP is from a different instance.
So I’m confused by the whole community hiding thing. Since I’m local to programming.dev, the owner of programming.dev can hide communities from other instances for me? I get that these communities aren’t moderated well, but it seems like the instance owner that those communities are in should be the one on top of that or risk defederation. I don’t really love that my local instance can just hide things from other instances.
Hiding communities outside our predefined rules (politics, porn and bot spam) isn’t something we take lightly, and we are only hiding them now after several months of reoccurring reports that break our instance rules (3.4).
We will do our best to be transparent about when and why we hide a new communities, and be aware that subscribing to a hidden community will unhide it for your feed.
If you do have concerns and suggestions on how to alleviate those, please know that we are happy receive feedback.
hidden just means it won’t show up in the All feed, but you can still subscribe to see all the posts from them
so this is much softer than defederation, and it’s per community instead of an entire instance
That’s great. Thanks.
I was getting tired of
bop-a-molebop-a-moe blocking these.I like a NSFW picture just fine, sometimes, but the NSFW toggle doesn’t work for communities that don’t even attempt to tag their content.
I understand and approve of the decision.
But please don’t perpetuate the idea that I don’t take moderation seriusly.
A difference in sensibility between me and someone else, is not indifference on my part.
I can only report on what I’ve been told by those who have directly dealt with the reports, my apologies if parts of the phrasing are inaccurate/poorly made. I’ll make a note that we should probably reach out to relevant moderators beforehand next time we make similar actions.
As for differing sensibilities, I’m not sure most people would classify this kind of content as safe to browse at work/in public.
Regardless, we are not here to make demands or argue on how other instances moderate their own content. This post is made mainly to keep our actions transparent to our local users.
Thank you for the aknowledgement.
When it comes to that second post, had I gotten a report on it, I would probably have flipped my decision not to mark it NSFW, as I have done on some posts in the past.
But I didnt get a report. Edit: though I went ahead and changed it now.
The others I could hang up as posters at work just fine.
On the subject of sensibilities differing
I have images like that one, and “worse” in my wallpaper rotation both on my phone and PC. I even have some pieces depicting actual nudity in an artistic setting.
My city has public statues and art installations that do that. In fact kind of a lot of places do. Way too much of the world suffers what I consider weird hangups on this subject.
I get separating pornography from public display, but this isn’t that.
While I respect people not wanting to see certain content (and their right to block it), I don’t see what’s so offensive about the human body, or the aesthetic appreciation for it that some us feel, to the point that even non-nudity that displays the wrong shapes has to be censored lest someone somewhwere take offence to the point of it causing genuine averse consequences.
Even then, lemmy doesn’t have the kind of complex tagging system that would allow people to define what they don’t want to see before they see it. I expressed in this thread that I don’t want porn in my feed, but if I were to disable NSFW content on my profile, a lot of not-porn I do want to see would go with it.
How many people would miss my post if I err on the side of caution too much?
Would I flag it as “midly provocative” if that was an option to allow those who want to to filter it out? Sure. But we don’t have proper tagging on lemmy. Not yet. And NSFW is synonymous with pornography for A LOT of people, which again, this isnt.
Hence why sopulis policies on blocking porn fit me so well. And why programming.dev should absolutely do the equivalent for whatever types of content you want enable your users to see.
I realise I’m at an extreme end of the matter, which is why I DO flag some things as NSFW even when I don’t personally bat an eye.
But I also can’t just flag everything, or mark the entire communties NSFW, because that IS used for porn, and will be what users expect and post if I did.
So I do my best to offend fewer people, but at the same time the content I want to share is often in a place where people simply don’t agree on what it is and how to categorize it.
And while posting with an abundance of caution would be nice, it means suppressing discovery on all instances, instead of just some, and mostly being found by users browsing for something to masturbate to.
