The amount of pro RuSSia people here that want to get a free pass in the meat grinder, can someone call Russia to get these highly motivated soldiers to the front line?
It’s just so baffling, they’re all from lemmy.ml defending Putin’s invasion. Modern Russia isn’t even ML, the USSR is gone. It’s only “America bad” that’s driving their alignment with Russia at this point, isn’t it? Or they’re a troll factory. Or under the influence of Russian propaganda. Probably people from all of those.
What no theory does to a mf
Tell me you haven’t heard of revolutionary defeatism without telling me you haven’t heard of revolutionary defeatism
Revolutionary defeatism is just accelerationism with academic window dressing. Thinking that the defeat of western imperialism at the hands of Russian imperialism will improve revolutionary conditions is moronic and dangerous.
You’re right we should be running dogs for western imperialism instead.
And yes it will improve revolutionary conditions as the contradictions become more aparent (money for weapons and genocide is seemingly endlessly available, but not when it’s about housing, environment, healthcare, etc.). The only reason you see it as moronic and dangerous, is because you seem to live in a country that reaps the benefits of imperialism that grant you stability in life
You’re right we should be running dogs for western imperialism instead.
Ah yes, because there are only two options, you’re either a running dog for western imperialism or a running dog for Russian imperialism. But being a running dog for Russian imperialism is actually cool because it will lead to communism somehow. Don’t ask what happens in between, that’s not important…
And yes it will improve revolutionary conditions as the contradictions become more aparent
Wow that’s incredible, why don’t we just skip waiting for the imperialists to do it and carry out the genocide ourselves. That’ll really make those contradictions more apparent, I can’t wait!
Ah yes, because there are only two options
It’s almost like there isn’t, right? Could it be the “critical” part in “critical support”?
Wow that’s incredible, why don’t we just skip waiting for the imperialists to do it and carry out the genocide ourselves.
Your brain is melting wtf are you even saying?
I thought it would be obvious I was mocking you by repeating the viewpoint you expressed without the air of pretentiousness that you surround it with, but I guess I was the stupid one for thinking you were capable of recognizing sarcasm.
Also “critical support” for what, Russian imperialism? Why does Russian imperialism deserve “critical support” while western imperialism deserves direct opposition?
And I get that NATO imperialism bad, but so is Russia invading Ukraine. No need to muddy the waters with “the Zelensky regime is illegitimate”, Russia fucking rolled their tanks right into another country that did not threaten them. But these shitheads suddenly can’t recognize imperialism. Again, outright military invasion, is somehow not imperialism 🤪🔨
Can you kindly contextualize the MIC and it’s interest in NATO, Mearsheimer (a foreign policy hawk that loves war) saying its NATO agression, Biden joking in the 90s and knowing full well what NATO east expansion would mean, Putin going from friend to foe, Russia’s economy after the fall of the SU until now?
outright military invasion, is somehow not imperialist
Imperialism is when military intervention. The more militarier the intervention the imperialister it is
No, accelerationism is vulgar deterministic Marxism, Revolutionary defeatism was invented by the Marxists who understood that to get socialism you need revolutionary conditions and a proletarian organization capable of taking advantage of those conditions.
Thinking that the defeat of western imperialism at the hands of Russian imperialism will improve revolutionary conditions is moronic and dangerous.
Growing multipolarity has already resulted in a lot of North Africa freeing itself from colonial domination: it has also created the conditions that allow for the economic isolation of the apartheid state of Israel.
Get off your ivory tower and actually study the present conditions.
True, if thia were WW2 they would be non ironically saying for the allies to surrender to the Nazi, Soviets and fascists, to “prevent deaths”
The soviets were part of the allies, and killed 8/10 Nazis. Seeing your historical illiteracy explains your lack of understanding on current geopolitical events
You’re right, the Soviet Union joined the allies against the Nazis because they were explicitly not revolutionary defeatists, which cannot be said of a large number of modern day tankies.
“Tankie” functions for libs the same way, as “woke” does for chuds. It’s a meaningless term
And libs often seems to function for tankies in exactly the same way. I’m an anarchist but when I argue with tankies I get called a lib even as I call for the overthrow of capitalism. Funny how that works, almost as if the problem is dogmatism.
Unlike “Tankie” and “woke”, “lib” does in deed have a definition.
of course after nzia invaded them, but before that they had agreements to share Europe with the Nazis, who don’t know history is you, not me
Literally everyone made agreements like that. The Soviets were the last to do it after spending years trying to form an anti-fascist pact with the liberal powers.
You didn’t know the soviets were part of the allies, so it’s futile to go in any discussion with you. Your repeating fascist propaganda and insinuating that Stalin and Hitler were allies. You can’t even contextualize the Munich agreement. Just stfu and lurk more
of course i know that in the end they fought the nazis, this don’t exclude the fact they had an pact with the nazis to partition europe, also why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?
Stalin and Hitler were allies
maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho
why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?
Because fascists like yourself like to share this without the proper context to paint the Soviets in a bad light, when in fact it was them almost alone stoping the Holocaust.
maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho
I like how the article you shared says
Scholars continue to debate whether the human-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide,[159] or a tragic byproduct of rapid Soviet industrialization and the collectivization of agriculture.[76][51][17][52] Whether the Holodomor is a genocide is a significant and contentious issue in modern politics.
That emblem brings this from a solid B+ flag to F-
Its not a bad design, but those don’t belong on flags.
Congratulations to the “good guys”, you sacrificed thousands of Ukrainians but now you have funny memes about Kursk, so it was definitely worth it.
Lots of Russians died too, so as far as they’re concerned it’s a win.
Yeah, it’s really convenient when you can force other people to fight and die for your war…
In our defense we didn’t invade either country.
one of the very few u havent
True, but this war isn’t ours. We just provided matériel to an ally who was invaded. That’s what we’re supposed to do.
yes amerikkka and its european puppets ONLY, supported a qoup and its resulting regime, tried to pull said qoup regime into an allience of aggression designed to threaten Russia, provided said regime with weapons, provides said regime with munitions, provides said regime with satellite data to make it possible to target stuff, provides said regime with money, proivides said regimes soldiers with training and encourages mercenaries to go fight for said regime.
yep its NOT a proxiwar and amerikkka is NOT involved in any meaningful way, and for sure gold stars do NOT keep appearing at a much higher rate than before in the CIAs stupid war criminal celebration wall.
Fuck the imperialist russian state. They had an invasion coming the moment they invaded and annexed crimea.
Okay, you hate Russia.
But why do you hate Ukrainians? Why do we have to die for your grudge with Russia?
The West offered Zelensky a way out and to give up the moment the war started. He and his country refused and asked for weapons to defend themselves against a tyrant that will never stop. How exactly did the west force Ukraine to fight?
The West offered Zelwnsky a way out and to give up the moment the war started.
What? The west (and especially Boris Johnson) encouraged Zelensky to fight and encouraged him to drop the peace proposal (which included Russia going back to pre-2022 invasion borders!).
He and his country refused
Just “He”.
How exactly did the west force Ukraine to fight?
The west supports Zelensky’s regime, which kidnaps people on the streets and sends them to die.
and encouraged him to drop the peace proposal (which included Russia going back to pre-2022 invasion borders!).
I would love to see the source on that.
Zelensky could have fled. He refused. Ukrainians could have surrendered, they refused surprising everyone. Putin will never stop unless he is stopped. To support Ukraine surrendering is to support many many more Ukrainian deaths in the future.
Ukrainians could have surrendered
No. We don’t have a choice. We cannot even choose our president, much less choosing to end the war. We cannot speak out against our government (except anonymously like I do). People cannot even fucking leave their houses without fear of being kidnapped.
is this what the lastest stage of a copium addiction looks like?
Zelensky wasn’t offered a ride out of Ukraine? Is that what RT tells you?
Symbols have more than one meaning… The word “fascism” comes from one of these symbols: the Fasces. However the fasces are still used by France:
Or by the US:
Are these countries fascists just because they use the Fasces? Of course not. They have other meanings. It’s the same with this Ukrainian symbol.
are u implying that the amerikkkan empire, the country created to steal land and genocide and preserve slavery the country that bankrolls fascists everywhere, the country that does everything it can to oppress working people not only within its borders but outside them, an oligarchy where the head of state is selected by rich oligarchs and has near limitless political power, ISNT fascists. Amerikkka IS fascism it is the very template that the original fascists and the nazis based their designs on.
The difference is that at the time the fasces were adopted they didn’t mean fascism. But also, coincidentally, the US and France are fascist.
And the tryzub didn’t mean fascism when it was firstly adopted by the (menchevik communist) Ukrainian People’s Republic in 1917…
Okay but it did mean fascism after ww2. You know, after nazi collaborators participated in the holocaust in Ukraine, killing Ukrainian Jewish folks and others.
I dont think the original Ukrainian republic in 1917 was fascist though, we agree there.
Vichy France of Pétain participated in the Holocaust too. France still use the fasces, the same anthem and the same flag.
Well, hot take /s, France bad
That’s not the point. The point is: Ukraine is a normal country, nor a fascist hellhole nor a perfect Paradise. Their national symbol is also used by its far right, today and during the WWII; just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe. And just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe, they continued to use their national symbols after the WWII.
What are you talking about? It’s the coat of arms. It’s a symbol since 1918, when fascism didn’t even exist yet. Some nationalistic fascist organization using national symbols isn’t news, and it doesn’t mean fascists exclusively own it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine
Edit: oh sorry everyone, didn’t see it was a lemmy.ml user. Block and move on 🤷♂️
i guess when u see a flag flying a swastika u are like “probably not nazis after all there are many other people who used to use that symbol in the past”, and u know why that is? its because u are lib and as we all know scratch a lib…
Welp, pack it up boys, all of our buddhist neighbours are Nazis
You would be surprised in Asia.
we are in the english speaking internet talking about europe, what the fuck is ur point. u KNOW what was meant u KNOW than in the west a swastika means nazis what are u even trying to do.
History repeating as a farce.
