• grue@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    …is left of the president on health care

    She’s taken more liberal positions on health care

    “More liberal” means “less leftist.” You don’t get to have it both ways, article writer!

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        I’ll make it easy for everyone, the left starts at anticapitalism.

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          No, this seems a useful point to make. The rightward unforgivable sin that liberals make is their commitment to capitalism. It’s like vegetarians and vegans would seem to be bedfellows but vegans can not forgive vegetarians for not going the full rational distance.

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            No, vegans and vegetarians do have some things in common. Leftists or socialists and communists have absolutely nothing in common with Democrats or Republicans. Democrats would rather punch left to preserve capitalism

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            It’s a little bit more like saying I’m a vegan too because I like almond milk on my milk steak.

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        The terms “left” and “right” are meaningless anyway and should be aboloshied. It just entrenches thoughtless “us versus them” tribalism instead of making politics about actual policies and issues and how people are affected.

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      Look, the American press struggles with these abstract political concepts. The words like liberalism, socialism, etc have lost all meaning.

      But to some it up, her position in the 2019 primaries was somewhere in between Biden’s and Sander’s position. Basically a Medicare advantage for all (with straight public option included and available to all but private insurers not excluded just strictly regulated). I’m interested in what she comes out actually proposing now that she’s most likely the candidate.

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        Look, the main stream American press struggles with these abstract political concepts. The words like liberalism, socialism, etc have lost all meaning.

        What you mean is that the Republicans have spent decades on Red Scare bullshit trying to conflate Democrats with commies, and the media has been complicit in it.

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          Yeah that’s pretty much it, I agree with you.

          Harris’s healthcare plans were less liberal in the economic sense of the word, as it’d involve more government control. But they were more progressive or socialist (like Medicare, social security, etc all of which are somewhat socialist as the name social security implies). Not quite as much as Sander’s though, who was pushing a true single payer system. More than just a public option though. I am really interested how much she sticks with the current plans or stakes out her own policies. Somewhat encouraged that many dems from the progressive caucus quickly endorsed her.

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      That’s a shitty play on words I assume. Socially liberal is typical leftist, economically liberal is usually right wing. So, left of the president on healthcare is good if it’s socially speaking, bad if it’s in the economic sense.

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      This is not confusing to most people, as they don’t try to micro-partition the majority party into 5 groups to encourage infighting.

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    The same person that claims she supported Medicare for all until we were in the middle of a pandemic is to the left of President on healthcare?