• Ephera@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    To my knowledge, we also have zero evidence that they didn’t exist. Nor have we ever observed matter/energy appearing out of thin air vaccuum, so it seems unlikely to me.

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          5 months ago

          Can time really exist if there was no frame of reference to measure it? We can only detect it by motion or entropy. It’s the only way of “time”. So if there was some point where there was nothing that moved, then time wouldn’t exist.

          For that matter, there’s no way of measuring if time is even consistent. If it were constantly speeding way up, or slowing way down, we’d have no way of knowing.

          Time is just a figment of our imagination so we can keep track of movement. Just like magenta isn’t a real color.

      • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        No, in our current best-supported model of the universe (Lambda-CDM) the concept of “before” the Big Bang is meaningless. It is the apex of the spacetime “bell” from which everything emerged.

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          5 months ago

          But something must have triggered the big bang. The model might not support this, but this only means the model is insufficient to describe what goes beyond our known universe.

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            But something must have triggered the big bang.

            That’s a separate claim you’d have to prove. We have no evidence of something triggering it, we don’t even know that it would need to be triggered. All of our observations occur inside this universe, therefore we have no idea at all if cause-and-effect even applies to the universe as a whole. The short answer is: we don’t know and have no reason to posit the need for something else.

            What does it mean for something to be “beyond” everywhere or before time?