Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to "immediately" order a ceasefire in Ukraine and start negotiations if Kyiv began withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy rejected what he called an ultimatum by Putin to surrender more territory.
Offering someone a peace deal when you know they wont take it is a chad move. Just like Hamas saying it will disarm in exchange for a prisoner swap and a lasting end to hostilities.
I think it was a very calculated move actually. He did this right before the Switzerland circus, and it forced the west to say that they reject peace. This shows the rest of the world that it is indeed the west that wants the war to keep going which makes it impossible for western diplomats to go around claiming that Russia doesn’t want peace.
The only way to end this war is to retreat from the war, stop fighting and killing and just chill already. But that will never be the case with a maniac like Putin and his minions in charge.
Hey we’ve got a military genius over here! Yes you’re right, the way wars are negotiated is that the winning side completely gives up all terrain because we think they’re stupid meanies and then they can ask for a peace pretty please.
Okay I just talked to Putin and he said they weren’t going to leave and then negotiate, he called me stupid for suggesting it and asked me if I lived in fantasy land.
To be fair, that would have been the first time I’m history a peace deal was negotiated like that.
That wouldn’t end the war, that would result in the continued wholesale slaughter of eastern Ukranians by their own government, the thing that Russia jumped in to stop in the first place. Please stop thinking about geopolitics in childish terms of maniacs and minions, life is not a Marvel movie.
That wouldn’t end the war, that would result in the continued wholesale slaughter of eastern Ukranians by their own government
Did Ukraine do that? Genuine question, not really educated in the pre-war history. Sounds a bit unbelievable to me at first glance. Feel free to provide reading material.
Please stop thinking about geopolitics in childish terms of maniacs and minions, life is not a Marvel movie.
Of course not. I wanted to keep it short and on point.
However, war will continue as long as there are forces at play who want the war. Putin is certainly one of these war-driving forces, as well as his minions his top-people in military and politics. Given the expansionistic approach, the numerous threats, even against children, creates a pretty insane picture.
Genuine question, not really educated in the pre-war history.
Yes. The Minsk I and Minsk II treaties were brokered between Russia and Ukraine. These treaties required Ukraine to stop shelling the LPR and DPR. Ukraine continued to shell these two regions despite these treaties. This was part of Russia’s justification for their “Special Military Operation” which evolved into the full-scale war we see today (I consider them separate due to the fact Russia did not target critical infrastructure during the SMO, this doctrine only changed after further escalation).
These regions have a majority of ethnic Russians which is why they were targeted for shelling after Euromaidan in 2014. Since then tensions have only escalated.
Azov battalion have been integrated into the Ukrainian army. Part of their ideology is to rid Ukraine of Russians (this includes Ukrainian Russians.)
Sources:
Putin is certainly one of these war-driving forces, as well as his minions.
Lmao Putin is a politician like so many others, not some moustache twirling villain. You’re not really providing any reason for war apart from “Putin bad”. Yes, Putin indeed bad, but Putin not entirety of Russian state apparatus. Despite the propaganda that would have you believe otherwise Putin can’t snap his fingers and have his will exerted. That’s not how states are run, especially not for years on end. If you do that then you lose the support of your base and no one can rule alone.
This war has support among the populace and the political elite, if it didn’t them Prigozhins coup would have had much more support. The political elite and population also don’t support the war because they’re evil, but for material reasons. Putin is actually on the less militant side in the Russian attitude, he has been widely critiqued for now immediately fully escalating to a war instead of an SMO and he has been critiqued for not doing it sooner. This video is a good surface level primer for why Russia has been motivated to do as it did.
Putin is an idiot for seeking a truce. The only way this war ends is with the total demilitarization of not only Ukraine, but all of western Europe.
Offering someone a peace deal when you know they wont take it is a chad move. Just like Hamas saying it will disarm in exchange for a prisoner swap and a lasting end to hostilities.
I think it was a very calculated move actually. He did this right before the Switzerland circus, and it forced the west to say that they reject peace. This shows the rest of the world that it is indeed the west that wants the war to keep going which makes it impossible for western diplomats to go around claiming that Russia doesn’t want peace.
I think more like an orc than the so-called orcs lol
You clearly vastly underestimate the Western diplomatic cores ability to lie in the face of obvious fact and get away with it
lol that’s true, they will go on to make clowns of themselves regardless
StalinPutin shouldn’t have stopped atBerlinBakhmut.The only way to end this war is to retreat from the war, stop fighting and killing and just chill already. But that will never be the case with a maniac like Putin and his minions in charge.
Hey we’ve got a military genius over here! Yes you’re right, the way wars are negotiated is that the winning side completely gives up all terrain because we think they’re stupid meanies and then they can ask for a peace pretty please.
Okay I just talked to Putin and he said they weren’t going to leave and then negotiate, he called me stupid for suggesting it and asked me if I lived in fantasy land.
To be fair, that would have been the first time I’m history a peace deal was negotiated like that.
That wouldn’t end the war, that would result in the continued wholesale slaughter of eastern Ukranians by their own government, the thing that Russia jumped in to stop in the first place. Please stop thinking about geopolitics in childish terms of maniacs and minions, life is not a Marvel movie.
Did Ukraine do that? Genuine question, not really educated in the pre-war history. Sounds a bit unbelievable to me at first glance. Feel free to provide reading material.
Of course not. I wanted to keep it short and on point.
However, war will continue as long as there are forces at play who want the war. Putin is certainly one of these war-driving forces, as well as
his minionshis top-people in military and politics. Given the expansionistic approach, the numerous threats, even against children, creates a pretty insane picture.Yes. The Minsk I and Minsk II treaties were brokered between Russia and Ukraine. These treaties required Ukraine to stop shelling the LPR and DPR. Ukraine continued to shell these two regions despite these treaties. This was part of Russia’s justification for their “Special Military Operation” which evolved into the full-scale war we see today (I consider them separate due to the fact Russia did not target critical infrastructure during the SMO, this doctrine only changed after further escalation).
These regions have a majority of ethnic Russians which is why they were targeted for shelling after Euromaidan in 2014. Since then tensions have only escalated.
Azov battalion have been integrated into the Ukrainian army. Part of their ideology is to rid Ukraine of Russians (this includes Ukrainian Russians.)
Sources:
For “anti-ethnic-russian sentiment”:
Several of the sources linked in this comment touches on the subject as well as things that happened more than two years ago.
Currently the Ukrainian army shows a callous disregard for civilians using them as human shields. This does not foster a sense of people being safe under the Ukrainian government.
Lmao Putin is a politician like so many others, not some moustache twirling villain. You’re not really providing any reason for war apart from “Putin bad”. Yes, Putin indeed bad, but Putin not entirety of Russian state apparatus. Despite the propaganda that would have you believe otherwise Putin can’t snap his fingers and have his will exerted. That’s not how states are run, especially not for years on end. If you do that then you lose the support of your base and no one can rule alone.
This war has support among the populace and the political elite, if it didn’t them Prigozhins coup would have had much more support. The political elite and population also don’t support the war because they’re evil, but for material reasons. Putin is actually on the less militant side in the Russian attitude, he has been widely critiqued for now immediately fully escalating to a war instead of an SMO and he has been critiqued for not doing it sooner. This video is a good surface level primer for why Russia has been motivated to do as it did.