Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to "immediately" order a ceasefire in Ukraine and start negotiations if Kyiv began withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy rejected what he called an ultimatum by Putin to surrender more territory.
These are actually more favorable terms for UA. For example, Russia previously demanded denazification of UA, and that is not part of this new proposal.
This is likely a “last best offer”, or a prelude to that last best offer, before Russia makes major pushes over the next year.
That’s like saying 14 lashes is more favorable than 15 lashes.
And the denazification claim was a stupid one in the first place because how does Russia verify that Ukraine is denazified? If Ukraine kicks out of the government all the suppose nazis, is Ukraine denazified? What if they all denounce nazism. Does that count? What’s stopping Russia from putting more people in their “nazi” list? It was a vague demand and shouldn’t have been a demand in the first place.
14 lashes is more favorable than 15 lashes, though I would suggest anyone reading this should compare the new peace deal proposal to previous ones and decide for themselves whether they’re the same.
And the denazification claim was a stupid one in the first place because how does Russia verify that Ukraine is denazified?
The fascists in Ukraine are Banderites that run the gamut for neo-Nazi aesthetics. They became much more organized as part of Euromaidan and quickly became the shock troops against the Donbas, the people willing to kill fellow Ukrainians because they had their own fascist reasons to justify themselves. The UA government supported these groups even as those groups maintained relative autonomy because they terrorized the people in The Donbas and engaged separatist fighters. Over time, the UA government became friendlier and friendlier to these fascists, starting with legal campaigns against Russian speakers - what Westerners would call ethnic cleansing or cultural genocide when it’s their enemies doing it - and culminating in these fascists operating at high levels of government, particularly the MoD.
It’s hard to say exactly what a peace deal denazification would look like, mostly because despite Orientalist myths about bloodthirsty Russians, they’ve actually given in repeatedly when others break their agreements. It could be anything from formally disbanding the fascist units and command structure without criminalizing them to requiring their detention and military tribunals to modifying UA’s core governmental structure to ban support for Bandera.
Due to Western-prompted balking at all peace deals, even negotiating at a table, denazification has also come to mean destroying Banderites militarily. Perhaps they think they’ve made enough progress. Either way, the demand is missing.
What’s stopping Russia from putting more people in their “nazi” list?
The original proposals sought neutrality and independence guarantees for Ukraine that were guaranteed by a range of other countries. We would need to see an actual text where UA returns to the bargaining table to have any idea how a new status quo would be enforced.
These are actually more favorable terms for UA. For example, Russia previously demanded denazification of UA, and that is not part of this new proposal.
This is likely a “last best offer”, or a prelude to that last best offer, before Russia makes major pushes over the next year.
That’s like saying 14 lashes is more favorable than 15 lashes.
And the denazification claim was a stupid one in the first place because how does Russia verify that Ukraine is denazified? If Ukraine kicks out of the government all the suppose nazis, is Ukraine denazified? What if they all denounce nazism. Does that count? What’s stopping Russia from putting more people in their “nazi” list? It was a vague demand and shouldn’t have been a demand in the first place.
14 lashes is more favorable than 15 lashes, though I would suggest anyone reading this should compare the new peace deal proposal to previous ones and decide for themselves whether they’re the same.
The fascists in Ukraine are Banderites that run the gamut for neo-Nazi aesthetics. They became much more organized as part of Euromaidan and quickly became the shock troops against the Donbas, the people willing to kill fellow Ukrainians because they had their own fascist reasons to justify themselves. The UA government supported these groups even as those groups maintained relative autonomy because they terrorized the people in The Donbas and engaged separatist fighters. Over time, the UA government became friendlier and friendlier to these fascists, starting with legal campaigns against Russian speakers - what Westerners would call ethnic cleansing or cultural genocide when it’s their enemies doing it - and culminating in these fascists operating at high levels of government, particularly the MoD.
It’s hard to say exactly what a peace deal denazification would look like, mostly because despite Orientalist myths about bloodthirsty Russians, they’ve actually given in repeatedly when others break their agreements. It could be anything from formally disbanding the fascist units and command structure without criminalizing them to requiring their detention and military tribunals to modifying UA’s core governmental structure to ban support for Bandera.
Due to Western-prompted balking at all peace deals, even negotiating at a table, denazification has also come to mean destroying Banderites militarily. Perhaps they think they’ve made enough progress. Either way, the demand is missing.
The original proposals sought neutrality and independence guarantees for Ukraine that were guaranteed by a range of other countries. We would need to see an actual text where UA returns to the bargaining table to have any idea how a new status quo would be enforced.
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