• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    I’ve already explained to you why your source is misleading, and that the red lines your sources list trace back to western statements as opposed to Russian ones. It’s not about feels, it’s about you making an objectively false statement.

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      5 months ago

      You literally haven’t explained it. Your argument seems to be that secondary sources are per definition invalid, which you certainly are allowed to feel, but it is a very niche opinion to have.

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          5 months ago

          Yes, you keep repeating how you don’t accept secondary sources. What you don’t repeat (or even mention once) is why you distegard these sources.

          Bye.

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              Yes, exactly. You repeated that you don’t accept secondary sources. We agree on that. You also keep repeating that you repeated that, which is also true. You are very good at repeating these things. What you still haven’t said even once is your argument for dismissing all these sources.

              Feel free to link to a primary source showing your argument, and not just “trust me bro, I said it already”. But also, you already said bye, so I’m not sure why you keep coming back? Is that also something you like repeating?

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                No, what I repeated is that Russia never actually stated what these sources claim, and these claims come directly from western propagandists. I asked you to substantiate your claim based on what Russia has actually said officially, and you’ve refused to do that because we both know such statements don’t exist. The fact that you are simply incapable of admitting that you’re spreading misinformation is frankly pathetic beyond belief.

                Feel free to link to a primary source showing your argument, and not just “trust me bro, I said it already”. But also, you already said bye, so I’m not sure why you keep coming back? Is that also something you like repeating?

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Proving_a_negative

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                  5 months ago
                  1. I have provided sources
                  2. You have stated you don’t accept those sources
                  3. You have not made an argument for why the sources are wrong.

                  Apparently I misunderstood you, and thought you said you had repeatedly told me why the sources are wrong. I asked for a link to where you made the argument, but now you countered with not being able to prove a negative, i.e. you are saying you never gave an argument. Apologies for misunderstanding.

                  This brings me back to asking you to provide an argument regarding the sources, since you are the one claiming they are unreliable.

                  Sorry again that I misunderstood you, and hopefully this brings us back on track. I’m also sorry I misunderstood that you were done with the discussion when you said “bye”. I can only assume you meant something else now.

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                    5 months ago

                    I’m saying that what your sources claim has never been stated by Russia, and none of these sources actually link to anything ever stated by Russia. Since you’re claiming Russian red lines have been crossed, I asked you many times to provide the red lines that Russia actually stated. The fact that you keep doing mental gymnastics here instead of either providing red lines as stated by Russia or admitting you’re wrong is phenomenal.

                    I’ll ask you one last time. Please provide examples of Russia stating red lines that the west has crossed and Russia hasn’t reacted to. As far as I’m aware, Russia’s red line was NATO expansion into Ukraine and the reaction was the start of the war. The other red line that Russia has actually articulated was deep strikes into Russian territory using NATO weapons. This hasn’t happened so far which seems to be an indicator that NATO is not willing to cross this line.