• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    No, all housing should be publicly owned to prevent landlordism and accumulation of capital, so where you will be moving from and moving to will all be owned socially regardless, the way you pick which housing you will use as your personal property for that period of time or any period of time does not have to change at all from how it is now: a website.

    That’s the ideal. For the time being, we should have more social housing and levy massive taxes on landlords, forcing them to either sell and turn that to social housing, taking it off the “market” permanently or pay enormous taxes that: 1) Fund socialized housing, 2) Make purchasing properties as investments unprofitable and 3) Fund building more (alongside nationalizing construction).

    I used the words “socialize”, “nationalized” and “publicly owned” interchangeably here. The answers differ on who you ask, but the above is what we should be doing, IMO.

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      7 months ago

      So who builds the houses when an area expands? And how do you assign nicer houses in nicer areas to people?

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        7 months ago
        1. Fund building more (alongside nationalizing construction).

        Fancy houses will still cost money as long as money exists, after communism it would likely be lottery or waitlists. The 8 bedroom with a coastal city view is probably turned into a short term vacation spot rather than a personal residence.

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            OoooOOOoooo democratic management of property is sooo tyrannical. The people who would have otherwise inherited a car dealership are going to have to enact a vengeful counterrevolution against the masses.

            Sorry for pretending you were engaging in good faith at first.

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              I am, you’re the one who is being delusional and thinking people inherently will work together to provide for each other without any sort of reward system. You seem to be under the impression that we would need a whole new system of gov. To accomplish this. When it can be done today already but isn’t happening because no one wants to do free labor for each other. You seem to think everyone who has something nowadays hasn’t worked for it and has inherited it…

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                7 months ago

                Tankies? I don’t see you posting any socdem or anarchist rhetoric, just neoliberal stuff and arguing against socialized housing which is as leftist unity as it gets.

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                  Why because I know human nature? Most of the people here who are for communism, are the ones who think they’re going to be running everything.

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                    The “human nature” argument is so old Marx literally debunked it before communism was even really a word.

                    But I understand feeling depressed about everything. The power of capital seems inescapable and it feels like oppression and fascism is human destiny. Perhaps instead of a cold dialectical analysis, may I suggest “Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution” by Peter Kropotkin instead? I think it’s a more emotive and soulful piece of writing that may just for a moment restore your faith in the fact that there are at least some people out there who really just want things to be better, not just to be in charge, and that perhaps such a drive exists within all of us to different capacities. I don’t want to run anything, I just want housing security.