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    7 months ago

    I think the difference between us, you’d rather blame voters and I’d rather blame leaders. I used to blame voters as well until I realized very online people, who engage in politics, live in a different reality from average voters. And very online people are a tiny minority of voters. Most voters hate spending time learning about politics. If you don’t believe me, do phone banking, talk to normal voters.

    So when I’m say things like Joe Biden is risking this election being complicit with genocide, I’m not predicting how very online people are going to vote. I’m saying average voters seeing a horrible genocide, seeing the world on fire, are going to be less likely to vote for the one currently in the oval office.

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      No, the difference between us is that I don’t think sacrificing our democracy because the chosen candidate doesn’t do EXACTLY what I want them to is a good idea.

      In fact, it’s a selfish and very fucking stupid idea that is going to hurt A LOT of people.

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        7 months ago

        What am I sacrificing brother? I am one voter in a solid red state. My vote, like most Americans, doesn’t matter in the Electoral College. Why are you mad at me?

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          So since you believe your vote doesn’t matter, how about you stay out of a discussion with people who believe their votes DO matter?

          Because the rest of us are trying to keep America afloat and out of the hands of a tyrant that would sell it off to the highest bidder.

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            7 months ago

            You lost the plot, telling voters they can’t criticize a president while you sanctimoniously claim you are saving democracy. You really don’t see the problem with that?

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              Show me where I said they can’t criticize him and we can continue this discussion- otherwise, we’re done here.

              Because I think I’ve been very clear that I’m talking about the idiot that are acting like spoiled little children by not voting at all and suggesting others don’t as well.

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                how about you stay out of a discussion with people who believe their votes DO matter?

                You just told me I can’t criticize. Also the Electoral College absolutely disenfranchises most voters, I can’t believe I’m arguing with a fellow Biden voter that it doesn’t.

                Continue blaming voters for Biden lackluster re-election campaign. If he continues this and loses, I’m sure the history books will give Joe a pass and blame all those voters he’s failing to enthuse.

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                  Right, and you just told me you’re not a voter, as in- YOU’RE NOT A VOTER IF YOU DON’T VOTE.

                  …also- I’m not blaming voters. I’m blaming idiots that suggest people NOT vote.

                  You lost the plot…. Try and pay attention.

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                    Why would I tell you I don’t vote? I’ve voted in over 25 elections in the last 8 years, nearly every election I qualify for.

                    I encourage people to vote all the time. I’m just pointing out some Biden voters are going to leave the presidential race blank in 2024 because Biden supports genocide. And that’s Biden own damn fault.