I mean they are people who were approved for studying in Ukraine. It’s not like things are calming down in Ukraine any time soon so makes sense they’d be looking to go home? Maybe I misunderstood the situation.
Why not simply let them continue their studies in Europe. An unfinished degree is completely useless.
I guess they could apply for that. But it’s not like EU owes them a degree or something before sending them home. It’s a shitty situation for them for sure.
The problem is that at least from what I know, they can not apply for that. EU countries don’t let people from most African countries study in the EU, there are wide blank bans in place.
I mean if they’re not eligible for any student programs in the EU then they’ll probably have to go home.
Yes. It just feels wrong that we allow ukrainian students of ukrainian universities to stay, but gave all other students of Ukrainian universities a random time period and they cant finish their studies.
Ukraine is at war. It’s not the same.
Again: all of them are studying at Ukrainian universities. All of them could go to Ukraine and finish the studies there. Or finish their studies in Europe.
The EU makes the distinctive choice to let certain students stay and not let other students stay.
How about they contribute studying in Europe? It’s not like we don’t need skilled workers over here…
I’m sure they could apply for that
Meanwhile, the german minister of finances is desperately trying to attract students from Ghana to work in Germany.
As somebody who doesn’t own a major company it’s usually a very bad idea to agree with anything Christian Lindner wants.
Even the people that own big companies only vote for him because he promises tax cuts.
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This is utter bullshit.
Why? They were in Ukraine and from what I see they were allowed to stay 2 years in the EU. It’s shit they didn’t get to graduate but it’s not EU’s fault. They should apply for a university in the EU, I’m sure they can find a good uni to continue their studies.
Let’s maybe also look at the fact that these are in fact European-educated students rather than just people with the wrong nationality. Throwing them out of the EU will not only generate ill will toward the EU but nearly universally be a loss to their former host country.
Seems like their ill will would be misplaced. It was because of Russia attacking Ukraine that their foreign exchange student thing fell through. It was nice to give them two years to hope things go back to normal in Ukraine but that doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon.
They should apply for a university in the EU, I’m sure they can find a good uni to continue their studies.
Yeah, no. It is extremely difficult for non-EU non-EFTA citizens to study in the EU (or immigrate in general for any reason).
So they should get a free pass?
You have an attitude towards them “sucks to be you, deal with it”
My attitude is more like “man that’s really unfair they’re in this pickle to no fault of their own, and we have the ability and the means to help them to no disadvantage to us, let’s help them”
I wonder if your feelings were different they were Canadians?
If only you knew the bureaucracy in some countries
Yes some countries have nightmarish bureaucracy, but for studying, I think it’s easier than wanting to move there. I have empathy for the whole situation. I don’t think it’s an EU problem.
Good. They don’t belong here or in Ukraine, they where exchange students, it wouldn’t be fair to anyone to keep them here when their family is somewhere else.
you don’t belong here either, and should go back to your peers on Gab.
What? Because i think they should just go home and not be forced to stay in refugee shelters?
Granting a two–year stay to students does not make any sense. They need to stay till graduation, or could have been sent home right away.
Yes, but they are students in ukraine. Being student in a country while it is invaded does not constitute refugee status, why should it? They can however apply to EU universities under the same rules as anybody else and I see nothing wrong with that.
I don’t think they where exactly granted to stay, just that nobody addressed the issue before. And yes they should have been home 2 years ago.
The EU granted all people fleeing from the war a 2 year stay until March 4, 2024. So it was addressed and they were allowed to stay and shouldn’t have been home 2 years ago. Many people lost access to their documents and given them enough time to get everything in order was the right decision.
But the article is mostly about the shortcomings of the Nigerian government/embassy. Who failed to provide sufficient support and resources to the Nigerians affected by the war. It took them 4 months after the war broke out to evacuate people from Ukraine. And then didn’t help Nigerians in Europe obtaining new visas or residence status for the EU at all. Allegedly not even issuing new Passports except temporary ones to go back to Nigeria.
The stories of affected people are odd choices and won’t create any sympthay from people that are opposed to them staying in the first place, probably making the feelings even worse. A 30 year old woman who left Nigeria at 17 and now “cannot imagine rebuilding her life again, especially as Nigeria experiences a steep economic decline.” And a guy who went to Nigeria, then came to Portugal and is working in customer service. He doesn’t have time to study portuguese to study in portugal, and the embassy isn’t helping them.
I personally still think that number of people affected is so low, that the EU could be more lenien in granting new visas but I suppose there is no legal basis for that.
Funny, how you make it sound liberal to grant extra rights to people as long as they are small in numbers.
“extra rights” being what? the right to immigrate? people should be allowed to live where they choose. you almost certainly could live and work in a European nation without being forced to leave in the way these people are. just because you don’t think of that as a right doesn’t mean it isn’t one.
No. People live where they belong and if they don’t have a especially good reason to be here they go home.
They didn’t flee war and they where to go back regardless. They can immigrate normally like everyone else, why should they get special treatment?
why should they get special treatment?
Have you tried empathy? Just put yourself for a moment in their (those students) shoes and you will understand where people who are arguing with you are coming from.
people should be allowed to live where they choose.
I’m not sure if I agree, neither do I strongly disagree. Even though individuals should be allowed to live where they want, communities should also be allowed to decide who they allow to live with them. Collective decisions are the very foundation of a community and what differentiates it from an agglomeration of individuals. Please take into consideration how the latter one would be authoritarian by nature. So, I think both rights are true - that of the individual to freely move and that of the community to build something exclusively for itself - and neccessary for a liberal society. They have to be balanced out carefully.
you almost certainly could live and work in a European nation without being forced to leave in the way these people are
You are right. I am a citizen auf the European Union and hence part of a sovereign community.
I understand many people have fears and concerns about a portion of the refugees because they fear them to be bad people.
But these are Europe-educated students we are talking about. Even the most fearful anti-immigration right-winger cannot possibly have a problem with them.
I don’t have a problem with them, but they shouldn’t be here, they wanted to learn in Ukraine, wich is impossible now, they could have applied for citizenship or international student here in the two years nobody thought about them. Those that didn’t go home now, this was foreseeable and logical.
