This might just sound like the same old shit others voice with the recent gaza genocide, but ive hated israel for far longer. In high school i read a book called the olive grove, its based on a true story of a Palestinian family that lost every thing to the zionist movement. It follows 3 generation of the family from the first world war till after the second. It tells of the horrors they faced by the us backed terrorists taking their home and land turning away from the atrocities being committed. Its heart breaking, and when i read it in 2009 i didnt fully understand but seeing all the shit done now, i just think this cycle of hate started and can not be stopped.

Idk what else to say, i mean i could go on and on but i dont have the mental capacity to do so while drinking. I recommend others to read the book, it was a very good read when i was a high schooler and i plan to start it again as soon as i can find my copy.

Here is a link to the book if anyone is interested in reading it https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2327988.The_Olive_Grove

  • Breezy@lemmy.worldOP
    4116·
    9 months ago

    Just because israel is going about their genocide differently doesnt make it less evil. They have the support of many countries that felt bad for what hitler did to them. So of course they are keeping a line of not going to far in order to stay looking like a good guy.

    • Hyperreality@kbin.social
      41·
      9 months ago

      17 million is a larger number than 30,000.

      That doesn’t make what the Israelis are doing excusable or any less of a crime. It does mean what they’re doing isn’t on the same scale as the Nazis.

      • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
        5·
        9 months ago

        There have been larger genocides. Nazis are only at the forefront because they were the only ones to industrialize genocide. The intent and rhetoric of Israel is directly comparable though.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
        13·
        9 months ago

        The Nazis killed more people out of more people over a larger period of time. In Gaza at least 30000 people have been killed, and that at least is doing a lot of heavy lifting, in less than five months. There are also at least 60000 wounded, again at least. Now remember that all of Gaza has 2.5 million people. Leave Israel for four years and in relative terms they’ll be about as bad as what the Nazis did.

        • Hyperreality@kbin.social
          5·
          9 months ago

          30,000/2.4 million (population of Gaza) = 1.25%

          6 million Jews / 9.5 million pre-war European Jewish population = 63%

          In Gaza at least 30000 people have been killed, and that at least is doing a lot of heavy lifting, in less than five months.

          Operation Rheinhard:

          Using an unusual dataset originating from railway transportation records, this study identifies an extreme phase of hyperintense killing when >1.47 million Jews—more than 25% of the Jews killed in all 6 years of World War II—were murdered by the Nazis in an intense,100-day (~3-month) surge.

          https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aau7292

          1.25/9.5 = 13.6% of the Jewish population in Europe in 100 days.

          I get people are angry and why people make the comparison, but it’s quite easy to debunk that it was on a similar scale to what the Nazis did. The numbers don’t lie.

          Nazi/Holocaust comparisons undermine any criticism you make of Israel, because what they did is so clearly on a different scale. If you want to win the argument, it’s better to avoid these hyperbolic comparisons.

      • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
        14·
        9 months ago

        Where are you getting 17? 6 million Jews, and 5 million “others” is what I found.

        Are you counting war casualties?