• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    The year is 2006 and Republicans are killing a compromise deal that they all admitted they actually liked.

    The year is 2014 and Republicans are killing a compromise deal that they all admitted they actually liked.

    The year is 2024 and the GOP is about to win in a landslide on the “Democrats never get anything done” platform, so I guess you can’t argue with their results.

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      Idk if I believe that.

      We’re about to see a lot of “unlikely voters” turning out…

      And to think, running the same guy who tried to cling to power with a self coup after losing the last election in a landslide to the guy you lost to 4 years ago who’s supreme court justices “Roe is settled law” brought about headlines of suffering and skyrocketing teen pregnancy…

      Anyway remember that foreign policy is about power, not morality. And if “both sides are the same” no, one side is corporate shills and the other are fascist sycophants.

      Not voting for Biden or Not Voting is a vote for the Christian Caliphate where white is right but only if you’re a straight male. Everyone else can stay in the kitchen or go to the camps. History doesn’t repeat but it rhymes

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          My uterus is downright furious. I’m so glad it can’t read or it might try arson.

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          Amen.

          Never forget that Democrats were supposed to lose the midterms in a landslide and the economy was the top priority, supposedly. They barely lost the House but made gains in the Senate. And I think if you ask Republicans if they feel like winners in the House… Well, we can all see how that’s been going.

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            And then the clown show that is the house is proving that they don’t know how to govern…

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        We’re about to see a lot of “unlikely voters” turning out…

        I’ll fucking believe that when I see it.

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        We’re about to see a lot of “unlikely voters” turning out…

        If the primary and the off-cycle elections are any indication, we’re going to see a big downturn in participation - particularly among Biden’s left wing base - as enthusiasm for another four years of Republican Lite administration tanks out.

        Anyway remember that foreign policy is about power, not morality.

        Hitler Particles Detected

        Not voting for Biden or Not Voting is a vote for the Christian Caliphate

        Its not the votes that count, but who counts the votes. And in my home state of Texas, the Governor has already made moves to consolidate election authority in the governor’s mansion.

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          If the primary and the off-cycle elections are any indication, we’re going to see a big downturn in participation - particularly among Biden’s left wing base - as enthusiasm for another four years of Republican Lite administration tanks out.

          This 1000%. You can’t keep treating leftists as a bigger enemy than the Republicans and expect them to keep voting for you just so we move 2 inches right instead of 4.

          EDIT: Look at all the democrats treating leftists as a bigger enemy than the Republicans. If leftists are the ones keeping you from winning, maybe it’s time to start moving your policy left instead of bullying them while you sprint right to court “centrists” that we all know will NEVER vote for a Democrat as long as they live.

          A vote for Democrats isn’t a vote against fascism, it’s a vote for fascism in 4 years instead of now.

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            So you’d rather move 100 yards right in your analogy then by ensuring a Trump victory. Got it.

            If you want to be an indignant self-righteous leftist deciding to not vote, don’t be surprised when you don’t get a chance to vote for a leftist candidate four years from now, or ever. You’re acting like a petulant child over an extremely important election just because you can’t get EXACTLY what you want.

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              Hey look, a Democrat treating leftists as a bigger enemy than the Republicans while expecting us to vote for them so we move 60 yards right instead of 100. 🤷

              If leftists are the reason democrats can’t pull a win as yall can’t stop having an aneurysm screaming at us about, maybe it’s time you move your policies left instead of bullying us at every turn as you sprint further right chasing “centrists” we all know will NEVER vote for a dem.

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                You need to watch Beau of the Fifth Column.

                If you want to build a leftist movement it has to start local. Run for the school board. Build a community network

                Don’t let the fascists win because of the Democrats not being left enough.

                You build the coalition from the bottom up, not from the top down.

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                  I vote against fascism,and I vote against genocide. You give me a Democratic candidate that can do better than “I sidestep congress to fund genocide instead of sidestepping congress to commit genocide” and I’ll vote for them. 🤷

                  I can’t get over the fact that yall claim to be the “good guys” by backing full fascism in 4 years instead of this year. It’s still fascism my guy. Yall keep yelling at us that it’s OUR fault for not backing local antifascism, but SPOILERS - YOU’RE THE ONES BACKING FASCISTS.

                  You keep backing fascism then taking some sort of high ground for doing so. Get the fuck out of here. YOU ARE THE BAD GUYS BECAUSE YOU’RE STILL VOTING FOR FASCISM. You don’t magically become the good guy for voting fascist locally as well as nationally.

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                    I read your comment five times over and still don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It seems like you’re insistent on being contrarian and using the “both sides” argument we got back in 2016. Luckily, being through it once made us smarter. Good try, though.

                    Tell your troll farm buddies to your left and right that we say hi.

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            Yep go ahead and either not vote or make a protest vote. Just remember your lgbtq friends in the camps.

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              You shoulda thought of that when you kept voting BNMW and never getting of your fucking couches. And when the xamos start filling up you’ll still be on your fucking couches.

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      I dont think that will fly this time. It’s VERY obvious now that they can’t do ANYTHING in the house. Their ability to govern has been laid bare.

      Meanwhile Biden managed to pass some of the most meaningful and useful legislation in decades with the previous congress. So even if Republicans do nothing, Biden’s done more than the last two presidents to move the needle.

      Also, they got clowned hard. Biden admitted he’d shut down the border–which is what they were clamoring for him to do. Then they killed it. They dont care about the border and its obvious. This isn’t going to be laid at Dems feet.

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        It’s VERY obvious now that they can’t do ANYTHING in the house.

        But it is equally obvious that guys like Abbot and DeSantis have an open hand to act as they please on the border. That’s where this gets dangerous.

        By bogging down the legislative process and allowing Biden to twiddle his thumbs in the White House, we have transferred enormous amounts of power to the border states with the most horrific people in charge. The GOP decision to kill the bill was calculated, as it accrued authority to their allies in the Southwest.

        Also, they got clowned hard.

        They got laughed at by the same group of jokers who were going to point and laugh at them regardless. Meanwhile, right-wing talk radio is spinning this as a victory for the Immigration Absolutists and a rallying cry for the Trump Presidential campaign.

        Democrats have shown their hand on what they will concede. Republicans are in a strong position to advance their majorities in House and Senate into the next cycle. That puts the ball in their court, even if Mike Johnson personally looks like a weak Speaker. Republicans don’t care if he’s weak, because they’ve put all their chips on Trump anyway.

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      The year is 2024 and the GOP is about to win in a landslide on the “Democrats never get anything done” platform, so I guess you can’t argue with their results.

      2018 is going to be a red wave

      2020 is going to be a red wave

      2022 is going to be a red wave

      Surely 2024 will be a red wave!

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        You left out 2016, 2014, 2010, 2002, and 1994.

        Surely 2024 will be a red wave!

        The gains Dems have made in the Midwest are heavily predicated on minority voters (particularly Arab Americans) sticking with the party. And it looks like Biden’s getting ready to piss all that away.

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      So, these elections are basically down to independent voters.

      Not the leftists that hate both parties and say they’re independent voters

      Not the libertarians that hate both parties and say they’re independent

      But the actual independents, especially those in swing states - that vote for either opposing party - is what these elections come down to.

      And weve already seen how they voted in the midterms, despite a shit economy.

      If it’s Biden versus Trump, I’d wager it’s a Biden win

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        I hate both parties and I say I’m independent, as I realize they are both beholden to their corporate interests and lobbyists.

        The system isn’t designed for people with good ideas to emerge and change things for the better, but I like to think at some point in the future individuals like that could win outside of party lines. They have us all mixed up in these culture wars while the rich people keep on getting richer at an accelerated pace.

        But you are right, I’m going to vote for my version of less crazy, along with everyone else, and we’ll collectively go nowhere until the current crop of politicians age out or die.