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I highly doubt there isn’t an opened issue about it.

There’s actually not. But there’s an open MR.

Well the first step would probably be to open an issue.

Battle net only became a thing in like 2010, steam came very early in 2002, and started off straight away with exclusives that required you to install their client. They still do btw, there’s no portal, dota… on epic or whatever.

I mean, we definitely do have a steam monopoly on desktop, they might not be abusing their position much, as of yet anyways, but it’s a monopoly all the same. They captured the desktop playerbase in their little ecosystem and now people are stuck because of their game catalog, achievements, friend list…

What we really need is a standardization of these systems and interoperability between platforms so that they’re forced to actually compete instead of being miles ahead just by virtue of being there first.

It’s bloat, unnecessary junk that’s part of their ecosystem. Instead of having specialized apps, you have one app that does everything; and of course every other brand has to have their own, even fucking musk wants it for twitter.

This creates two problems, first it strains your hardware for no reason, second it creates dozens of walled gardens that don’t interoperate, if you want to chat with your steam friends, you need to go on steam, if you want to play your games, you need to open the right launcher; this is the same shit apple is getting prosecuted for by the EU right now.

Sounds good to me. It’s annoying that connecting to a store and a social media platform has become so normalized. I just want to play a game.

Wine can run 32 bit games with WOW64 without the 32 bit libraries

Meanwhile they reveal 1 Billion revenue from their latest acquisition…

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I’d still recommend a bleeding edge distro if the friend in question has recent hardware and/or likes to play games on release. It doesn’t have to be arch though, and you can probably grab a recent kernel on Mint too if necessary.

Fedora is pretty much vanilla GNOME.

They have minimize and maximize buttons ootb iirc. And probably a bunch of other stuff I can’t cite off the top of my head. Arch is the one that has vanilla gnome.

And yes, pretty much all users install third party apps.

I think you have a biased view of an average user. Anyways we’re getting off topic. The original argument being that tray icons are not relevant for most users. You have yet to cite a good example where the tray icon is necessary for the app to properly function.

Okay but the comparison was about GNOME vs KDE, not "GNOME modified with 5 extensions and tweaks

Yeah each distribution has their own patch set. If you really want to compare you need to start with the most popular, ubuntu and fedora.

Also, most users will want to install third party applications. Your average gamer will likely install Discord and Steam, both of them use a tray icon.

The two examples you gave are definitely not most users. I’d be surprised if it were even 20%. And the tray icon isn’t necessary for either of them to work correctly. Most people use the computer to open the browser.

Beginners using vanilla GNOME

Beginners will never really be in a position where they’ll be using vanilla gnome, so that argument is kinda moot. And even if they did, those features are literally one extension away…

will quickly miss features like a minimize button and certainly tray icons.

Tray icons don’t exist in gnome’s ecosystem, it only becomes problematic once you get third party applications. The real problems are the minimize/maximize, desktop icons, and panel on top when coming from windows. Although these days with the ever increasing phone use people might just be more at ease with gnome’s workflow anyways.

Linux only just hit 2% market share

That’s steam players, linux on desktop is estimated at 4%, and 6% if you count chromeos.

Weird that they’d actively block higher resolutions on linux, it certainly doesn’t stop their shit from getting pirated in windows.

No DRM Protection means no HD, High bit rate streaming

Is that actually a thing? Firefox has a drm button toggle and prime worked fine last time I used it.

poorly written code and tight code

This is where you guys lose me, it’s just code that not optimized for size and that’s because most people don’t give a shit about that. People want want their 4k assets, their localization, their accessibility features, their application to run on any device… All this comes at a cost. You want to change things, that’s fine, but start by understanding why things are the way they are because shitting on developers won’t get you anywhere.

Size doesn’t matter much when you have SSDs that read upwards of 5000mb/s. It’s why we’re seeing an advent of web-based apps despite them being woefully inefficient, and why games regularly go above 100gb. The reason file size gets so large is that assets can take up a lot of space and they come with plenty of libraries that they just have to bundle. These “small size” software optimize for size at other costs, like speed, asset quality, development time… Reducing file size is just not relevant anymore and if anything you should be wary of software that do it.

Does it matter where it comes from though? Do you think regular folks are like: “i’m gonna play on my WINDOWS MACHINE”? They just use whatever came pre-installed.

Arch is designed to take up your free time by making you build everything from scratch

That’s a weird take, arch provides repositories ootb and is meant to be used with pacman, you’re maybe confusing with gentoo?