@hummus273 Xvnc does not allow you to display individual applications only an entire desktop. I’m monitoring about 20 different computers doing different things and for me it is a significant advantage not to have to bring up a whole desktop but to be able to launch a single graphical application on my existing desktop.

Yes, that is what I meant with not as convenient.

I don’t really understand the degree of emotional attachment people have to one solution or another. For me it’s a simple application case, for me Wayland is not desirable, not only does it not network

Your use case is covered by waypipe (which in my tests is much more responsive than X11 forwarding).

the embedded X-server as part of the kernel works very effectively by avoiding the kernel/userland switches an ordinary X server would require.

I think you are confusing stuff here. Which kernel has an embedded X server?

So for my use case, Wayland is NOT a replacement and so I have to object to people arguing that it is a full replacement for X, it is not.

What part of your use case is not covered by waypipe?

You assume I’m not using it. On the contrary, I use it a lot at work. We have some old TK interfaces. They take ages to load over the network. The interfaces load much faster when using Xvnc running on the remote machine rather than X forwarding (but it is not as convenient).

X’s network transparency is overrated IMHO. Since ages most data on desktops is sent via shared memory to the X server (MIT-SHM extension) otherwise the performance would suck. This does not work over the network and so X over the network is actually quite slow. Waypipe works way better for me than SSH X forwarding.