is as scam. if you’re already receiving unsolicited shit, what’s the thought process behind being courteous with them motherfuckers? go nuclear on them, that whole industry lost its benefit of doubt privileges a decade ago.

it’s not “forever”. it’s however long they don’t have any ideas to the contrary.

why it was implemented - so that executive #279 can show executive #114 that number go up. look how our engagement is rising! look at all them people downloading our app! when I took over from exec #317, number was this big, lookie now!

same way google made their search worse, so you have to search multiple times, thus upping the engagment, page views, etc. and then exec X goes to exec Y and say “look there’s a huge rise in searches where my bonus at!”

you must’ve me confused with someone who does shit on your behest, go find out yourself.

this is just for onlookers, as it’s obvious it’s weirdo’s shill: the term in the ToS is “all comms must be readable by all other clients” which an E2EE capable client would be in breach of and would be promptly kicked off telegram’s infra, as was mentioned by those same FOSS developers in lemmy threads regarding that subject. as for you, plonk.

except, implementing E2EE via 3rd party FOSS clients is explicitly against Telegram’s TOS, which I’m gonna assume you already know as you’re parroting weirdo’s stance “all crypto is broken by NSA, so we’re better off without”. take care.

appreciate the effort, but kinda went overboard with the deets :) I run several prosody XMPP servers so I’m familiar with the underlying tech. what you describe should be feasible with it as well, but there are constant issues with devices not being able to access history, so I was wondering if things were better on your end.

so, based on this, I’ll spin up a snikker docker and try it out for a coupla weeks, see what’s what. many thanks.

edit: turns out this snikket thing is conversations (standard XMPP client) and prosody (XMPP server) with different branding.

your argument boils down to “the fully functional and loaded gun is in this weirdo’s holster and he won’t use it”.

the whole point is not relying on the benevolence of the weirdos out there and not letting them even be in the position to do any harm. encrypt my 1on1 comms and I don’t give a fuck what happens in the pedo/terror/carding/etc public groups. ample time to implement that in the past decade+ and be on par with practically every messenger out there. but he/they won’t implement it, they insist on all your shit being in the “cloud”, in plaintext, forever. there is no scenario where there’s not a malicious intent behind that.

I’ve been using Telegram since the early days. it was phenomenal vs the crap of its day - magical, even. like many, I was enamored with the vision of durov the folksy hero battling the forces of evil (in a bozo nightmare) and bequeathing us this tech marvel.

but I can’t trust it with anything any more. if weirdo can’t be trusted about some stuff, then he can’t be trusted with anything. enough for me, YMMV.

sorry for reiterating, so cross-device sync is totally impossible? or just something you don’t use?

aside from the dogshit UX and the uber reliance on Evilcorp’s infra, having more than two devices (I know, shocker in this day and age!), the arduous migration process to a new device, the limited chat history (I think it’s 40ish days) and many more.

same way Telegram adamantly refuses to implement E2EE, and not only that, it actively prevents 3rd party devs (a number of clients are FOSS) from implementing it on their own.

both PJ Harvey and durov respond the same way when asked about any of them things - smokescreens, FUD, whataboutisms, etc.

any of them things woulda been acceptable in 2015, here’s a PoC looking for funding, limited devs and resources; remember TextSecure and RedPhone? nowadays, they are nothing short of malicious.

how’s the chat history with snikket? I had issues with prosody, namely multiple devices coming and going and maintaining the same chat history between all of them, as well when there’s a disconnect (device gone forever, new device connects)

just skimmed their confusing web site, it’s free for selfhosting, right?

although it’s interesting research, I think it’s a weak text if you’re even tangentially aware of Telegram’s bullshit narrative as it focuses on the wrong thing. the main point should be “this dude was caught lying on a number of occasions and throws out smoke-screens and FUD when confronted about super-simple stuff. therefore nothing that comes outta his mouth is to be trusted” which should’ve prompted a mass exodus from this bullshit platform a long time ago.

the way more important issue is the collective action problem of dumping this crapware - leave it for what?

I run XMPP and Matrix servers and use various clients, along with Signal. all of those things are fucking dogshit software, there isn’t one that can come close to Telegram’s UX. if you fell into a coma in 2014 and woke up now to Element of Fluffy or whatever, you’d think someone’s pulling your leg. this is what a decade of development looks like?!

http://archive.today/Ocm8S

this thing is so far off on the horizon based on “things we need”, it’s not even worth discussing. if you’re not a founder whose startup someone acquired for bags of cash and are looking for ways to burn it, skip reading.

the estimation of like $1200+ for the thing is so disgustingly off the mark, it’s comical.

instead of 20 teams creating their contenders form scratch, what’s truly needed in this space is scouting out the thinkpad of the existing models. something that’s a gen or two behind but still widely available with at least 8 GB and fast storage. original manufacturer is exiting production to focus on newer generation models and the subcontractor that actually makes them has the tooling to keep 'em coming.

who’s not gonna take a swing at using the thing when they can have the unit new for $200 or flash a used one for like $50? before you know it, you have a user base. then, when you have the user base and a proven track record, you can try inventing a new paradigm outta thin air.

buncha clowns ITT laughing at a dude trying to swim for the first time. OMG how does he not know how to X and Y lolz why don’t you flatpak bust a cap in they ass…

this was an exceptionally excellent writeup especially with the “day 7: can’t do thing. day 10: here’s how to do thing” from the perspective of someone who used windows for ever and invariably looks at the thing from that point of view. dude pulled of transitioning a laptop with a buncha esoteric peripherals and an nvidia desktop and made almost everything work!

also, major ups for using the single most excellent solution for beginners, Ubuntu, and not getting lost in “no true scotsman” garudas and arches and atomic thisandthats.

straigh outta “little brother”. also, I can only assume this is unreliable as fuck.

why do you think they insist on keeping it in cleartext? they had ample opportunities to implement E2EE in the past decade and finally bring telegram up to the level that’s standard for practically every messenger out there; please miss me with the private chat joke they have.

so, I just reopened the telegram client to check if I left something there, haven’t used in months and… damn. I forgot how phenomenally awesome the thing is, it almost hurts. all the memories, used it since it started for private and business shit. I maintain it’s the best UX on both mobile and desktop, bar none.

but all of that is fucking null and void when they won’t implement E2EE, and that’s not even the worst part. there’s a bunch of FOSS clients out there and adding on encryption would be trivial. nope, you try that shit, you’ll get kicked out. everybody’s free to draw their own conclusions, I’ve made mine and deleted chats and account.

didn’t keep up with the aftermath, are there any aftermarket upgrades and/or fixes for the issue?

every mobile device I ever owned is encrypted and protected with a reasonably secure pass-phrase so losing it is no big deal. it is conceivable someone could forensic the shit out of my setup but that is highly unlikely; it’s far more likely it’ll get wiped and sold or parted out.

I’ve done no benchmarks but I haven’t experienced any issues ever. the oldest linux device I own is a 2011 MBP (i7-2635qm, so quadcore) and I don’t perceive any speed degradation; it’s possible 1st gen Core i5/i7 could have issues as those don’t have AES-NI in hardware or sumsuch plus they’re SATA2 only, but those would be 15+ years old at this point.

with btrfs that has on-the-fly compression, copy-on-write, and deduping, everything works seamlessly, even when I have database-spanking applications in local development.

so the only thing I’ve changed recently is encrypting every device I have, not just the mobile ones. the standalone devices get unlocked with a key-file from the local filesystem so they boot without the prompt. selling/giving away any of those drives, mechanical or SSD, is now a non-issue.

for future reference, encrypt your drives from the get-go. even if it’s not a mobile device, you can use on-device keys to unlock it without a pass-phrase.

source: used shred on a couple of 3.5" 4 TB drives before selling them, took ages…

to add to what others already said, the work from linux-surface is being adopted in the mainline, so it is possible that your hardware is already supported in a modern distro, like Fedora. boot it off a live USB image and poke around, you’ll get a better feel for it.

pro tip, at the GRUB menu press ‘e’ to edit the first item and then add rd.live.ram and that should load the image to RAM. you can then remove the USB and it’ll be way faster to navigate and it won’t touch your existing SSD install.

all Apple devices are part of a covert peer-to-peer network and its primary purpose is to facilitate the Airtags and find-my-shit apps. it runs on desktops, laptops, phones, ipads, watches, etc., including when they’re supposedly off. you can’t turn it off or opt out of it and what that crap additionally does and how secure it is is unknown.

having said that, if you run linux on an old intel-based macbook or similar (say, up to 2015 models) you’re out of that racket and similarly all Apple or iCloud based crap. they do have a permanently enabled IME but that’s true for the majority of devices sold and, dependent on your threat model, isn’t an issue per se.

not sure about the “credit card” angle as you can’t buy a new Apple device that runs linux, the asahi mess is limited to M1/2 models which are like 5 years old at this point.