Ican’t fathom how someone, even given a perfect model of every cell in my body, could predict whether or not I will scratch my nose within the next minute.

so your argument is just personal incredulity?

The issue is not about choice. It is about control. Your next action is purely dependant on the current state of your brain and the stimuli around you. Where is the part that isn’t controlled by this system? How did you cause your brain to be exactly how it is right this moment? Was it not a cause of your previous brain state and the stimuli in the previous moment? How can you shown it’s not turtles all the way down?

The chaos comment is not really relevant. Chaos isn’t choice, I only brought it up to show that at the level of our brains and the interactions we have there isn’t anything random. A world rewound would produce the same outcome.

i have yet to see any evidence thatethere is anything that overcomes the deterministic nature of the universe. the rare bit of chaos we get from quantum mechanics is washed away by the law of large numbers.

and knowing russians, he won’t even respond to actions. they will need to remove him by force.

while i don’t think it should be a moral issue, i think we need to stop trying to make this a fair argument out of some desire to be on some high ground here. what you described is fucked up and we should give them no latitude. it is theft even if they made the laws. the staggering level of difference in energy put forth versus compensation is ridiculous. When someone makes more in an hour than their least paid employee will gross over their entire lifetime…there should be no justification for the billionaire’s existence.

idk man. there are a lot that i dont think will ever get it.

It wouldn’t have helped. You can go online and see all of the semi reasonable convesations with trump supporters out in public and the all want to hold on to the idea he is a good, sane choice. They never accept the evidence. They just reluctantly shrug.

Nah he is just the epitome of bigotry. He hates everyone because he is a loser and everyone who has been around him knows it. There is no fixing that.