I still haven’t played it but I have it on my list thanks to an Italian review that pointed out some healthy aspects:

• no minimap, so you have to actually get guided by exploring interesting stuff around you; basically nullifying the “I have to go there to enjoy playing” effect
• you get to choose your role basically just by doing the stuff you prefer; basically if you like climbing and keep doing climbing stuff eventually you will bring the character to be a climber (the story is about a travel of self discovery, no progression stats iirc)
• no fighting, mostly like a realistic exploration lived irl

It’s actually “us” in the political tech space that started using techno optimism as derogatory I think. I don’t know why you think that techno-optimism label was ever a good one and then co-opted :o

Cyberpunk was co-opted by the Californian ideology but “techno-optimism” I don’t think so…

I don’t see how being critical and optimistic about tech is mutually exclusive

It’s not… But it’s a bit like the word “feminism” that includes much more than women struggles. Techno-optimists it’s not about being positive about some technology.

Not all of them, but to me being tech-positive and understanding technologies can be sustainable is at the core of solarpunk

I agree, hence we say solarpunk and not techno-optimists :P

Longtermism doesn’t mean long term thinking and techno optimism doesn’t mean not being negative about technology my friend

I understand your point but we have to accept that longtermism and technoptimism are the terms we use for what you call extreme. Like racism is not just “talking about race” and so on :)

We have a term to call ourself and it’s solarpunks!

It’s about probability… Like an AI will have the same bias as the data it’s trained on, only talking about data and trends when talking about politics shows us the most probable stuff without taking into account the very good solutions.

Basically what I’m saying is: kurzgesagt it’s not a politics channel but a science one. They take data and read it for us. At most they are being a bit reactionary, but I wouldn’t say techno optimist :/

We want to aim to solarpunk society for sure but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore that it’s slow, hard and the actual trend is different.

BIG P.S. I must say for transparency that I still haven’t watched today’s video

Techno-optimism means thinking that a technological solution will fix our issues. As solarpunks we, for example, are critical of a lot of tech uses and a lot of incentives that do not allow the best tech to emerge just by being “better tech” like a tech optimist would think. Check out Californian ideology stuff.

About longtermism: basically it’s caring less about the suffering of today thinking about working towards better condition for the people of tomorrow. In a stupid simple way: giving 10€ to research for fusion instead of using them to feed a child for one month because people will suffer anyway and the faster we arrive at the fusion the less people will suffer.

That said, I don’t think kurzgesagt is that much tech optimist, it’s just a channel that focuses on harder sciences so it’s easier to focus on “can this technology work” more than “can this policy work”

For the longtermism part, some video ye lol

I don’t want to silence this discussion because the “worn out bodies” comment is actually useful to be debunked and discussed

But pls read the slrpnk.net rules

There is space to disagree but be more constructive 🤝

tht option often not available to people working at lower wage jobs

Cannot fix the need of stronger unions with cargo bikes for sure

Here in Italy they can have sick days, not an issue usually

you could make a german speaking instance

Mia sorella in Cristo non dimenticare di mettere di quale paese si parla nel titolo :P

It’s always Freiburg isn’t it 👁️👁️

You’ll have an easier time unionizing programmers

Ye I’ve been since the start until some months ago in the Italian chapter of tech workers coalition because of this :P

I wish I had an idea to start fixing this

I do have ideas but the thing is that almost no one can fully save other people. Like the unionizing thing: we tried to unionize from outside but just doesn’t work if people inside don’t hammer everyday. We can think about cooperative models but even if we start a coop people will have to jump in your ship they can’t just keep the comfort of the status quo

It’s hard but my protip is that everyone should first acknowledge every kind of own power in their own life. Then think how to use it. For example I don’t have much but I happen to have some rural land. I’ll probably make a community space out of it but first I need to ensure myself some other basic survival power lol (basically, I want to go back to studying to then have a useful job for the society I envision)

the first rule of the server is to be constructive, you may want to keep that in mind when posting

control of ai by capital is bad, we all know that on this server; what are the next steps then? this is what solarpunks should ask themselves (first of all they -artists- prob need to unionize their workplace, for those not freelance, to ensure their jobs)

also those artists who used ai without telling you just want to get by their lives and are costrained by the system as you and as me

Any examples of it? I’m curious :o

I get more jungle vibes from it :o

very well thought!

p.s. i would be glad if you posted on !art@slrpnk.net next time!

i guess i’ll have to enter in the xmpp chat lol

I’ve not been a mod for quite some time, I’d rather not “force the hand” just ‘cause I founded it

The post itself was low effort… Let’s say that ‘‘where solarpunk organize’’ was the motto of the instance thinking about a place where to organize and share informations of praxis more than falling in the giving each other compliments for thinking alike… Probably will have to make another place :o

i’ve voted with 5 as more and 1 as less, iirc it was written right in the section (even tho as you said there is also ‘‘agree’’ on the 1 so idk lol)