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  • Xanza@lemm.eetoProgramming@programming.devStack overflow is almost dead
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    29 days ago

    To the surprise of absolutely no one. Tends to happen when you cultivate one of the most tixic online spaces on the net. I’ve never asked a question on SO, but just the verbiage used to accost people just trying to learn is just insane. Mods don’t really care about post content as long as its not perceived as “hostile,” so you can be generally as passive aggressive and shitty as you want. It’s just…weird.

    You can find especially viperis content when you find a question which has been answered, but someone is just like “Well, this isn’t the way that I do it!” etc, and then go on a tirade about how the question was asked poorly and the answer doesn’t completely answer the question.

    Shit is just wild.








  • Obviously, they monetize Codeberg because they’re providing a service. That monetization feeds Forgejo development. They could also sell official support for people hosting their own instances of Forgejo. This is a very common thing that open source companies do…

    This is literally what I said in my original post. Free products must monetize, as they get larger they have to continue to monetize more and more because development and infrastructure costs continue to climb…and you budged in as if this somehow doesn’t apply to Forgejo and then literally listed examples of why it does. I mean, Jesus my guy.

    You are claiming Forgejo will do this.

    I’m claiming that it is a virtual certainty of the age of technology that we live in that popular free products (like Github) eventually balloon into sizes which are unmanageable while maintaining a completely free model (especially without restriction), which then proceed to get even more popular at which time they have to find new revenue streams or die.

    It’s what’s happened with Microsoft, Apple, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Amazon Prime Video, Discord, Reddit, Emby, MongoDB, just about any CMS CRM or forum software, and is currently happening to Plex, I mean the list is quite literally endless. You could list any large software company that provides a free or mostly free product and you’ll find a commercial product that they use to fund future development because their products become so popular and so difficult/costly to maintain they were forced into a monetization model to continue development.

    Why you think Forgejo is the only exception to this natural evolution is beyond my understanding.

    I’m fully aware of the difference between Codeberg and Forgejo. And Forgejo is a product and its exceptionally costly to build and maintain. Costs which will continue to rise as it has to change over time to suit more and more user needs. People seem to heavily imply that free products cost nothing to build, which is just insane.

    I’ve been a FOSS developer for 25 years and a tech PM for almost 20. I speak with a little bit of authority here because it’s my literal wheelhouse.



  • That’s a very accurate statement which has absolutely nothing to do with what I’ve said. Fact of the matter stands, is that those who generally seek to use a Github alternative do so because they dislike Microsoft or closed source platforms. Which is great, but those platforms with hosted instances see an overwhelmingly significant portion of users who visit because they choose not to selfhost. It’s a lifecycle.

    1. Create cool software for free
    2. Cool software gets popular
    3. Release new features and improve free software
    4. Lots of users use your cool software
    5. Running software becomes expensive, monetize
    6. Software becomes even more popular, single stream monetization no longer possible
    7. Monetize more
    8. Get more popular
    9. Monetize more

    By step 30 you’re selling everyone’s data and pushing resource restrictions because it’s expensive to run a popular service that’s generally free. That doesn’t change simply because people can selfhost if they want.









  • This is mind-blowing to me. I’ve been using them for several months now and not had a single issue yet. I feel like a dick suggesting them as a provider when people are having issues with them, but I’ve not had a single one.

    This is a ping graph over an hour directly connected to my VPS with them: https://x0.at/daqx.png

    The connection speed isn’t stellar by any means, certainly well below the advertised–but they’re shared VPS, so that’s really to be expected. My uptime is 38 days since I last restarted my server because of a DDoS. The benchmarks were underwhelming, but considering I’m paying like, $2-3/mo for them, I’m okay with it. I even use this server to as a reverse_proxy for Jellyfin and it works just fine, no issues whatsoever. Transferred over 260GB in the past few days alone streaming HD content.

    I’m looking hard for flaws but they’re no better, but no worse than any provider I’ve ever had. 🤷‍♂️


  • I honestly can’t think of promises that would require more money.

    There are quite literally dozens. Bringing manufacturing back to the US, eliminating income tax, eliminating tax on overtime/per diem, cut “energy prices” in half in 12 months (max of 18 months), end the Russia/Ukraine war, make in vitro fert free, end birthright citizenship, cut corporate tax rate from 21% to 15%, eliminate tax on social security, car loan interest tax deductible… The list goes on. All of this will cost quite literally trillions of dollars and none of that has anything even tangentially related to his trillion dollar plan for mass deportations.

    We’re looking at the largest increase in federal spending in the history of the United States here. More than any war ever. You have to pay for it somehow.




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