Dear lord, I feel so bad

I am lacking the artistic vision to make this and without the comments, I wouldn’t have caught on.

I am impressed.

Why do so many people talk like this post is about whether or not you should burn these down or not? Or how they should be maintained?

Girls saw the burning plantation and took a selfie for the symbolic value of it. I don’t see them argue that people should destroy the historical evidence, or anything. They just took a strong symbolic Image and if you don’t like the symbolism in it, you are a weirdo.

Can we just appreciate their picture? Think about its symbolism?

And maybe then we can have the discussion about what to do with these things. People with no knowledge could start with listening. And if needed, they can add their perspective afterwards.

Dat is stupid.

I guess dat makes me a trump voter now…

I didn’t realize because I am too used to it.

Interesting claim of him.

You see, I don’t know how difficult it is to find CP as I don’t look for cp. If he knows that it is getting more difficult to find CP, he needs a reference to which he compares it.

Why is Jordan Peterson regularly looking for cp on Twitter?

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I am not disagreeing with you (while I am not convinced by your claim) but can you imagine how the “what is a woman?” Crowd would lose their marbles when you would say “whether it is eating or drinking, depends on the container and we 100% artificially decided what container is for eating or drinking” they would 100% claim that you don’t know what it means to eat.

Honestly, I don’t know what you are trying to tell me. I am not trying to be rude, I just don’t understand. But I have a point that I understood and disagree with.

Defining words isn’t the “challenge” of lawmakers. Most words used in most legal systems are undefined within it and the rest are defined by words which aren’t defined. E.g. the American legal system is built on that acknowledgement. That is why they work with case law. (Also I wasn’t talking about defining words in a legal setting. So not sure why we talk about it like this)

It is deeply confusing to me why people think they can define a word in a way that covers all it’s meaning and no additional ones and make fun of those who admit they can’t.

Challenge for anyone, define “to eat”. Remember, you have to cover eating soup but not drinking tea, or smoothie. But obviously, that isn’t everything.

I didn’t expect an answer. I am sorry if I made you feel that way. I just wanted to explore the topic with the general topic.

Your answer is a good as mine. I just don’t think people have good reason to be so judgemental to any group as vague as “woman”.

It is an odd thing anyway.

Fair point

I understand all of that but it seems crazy that it would generate these results so systematically.

Idk. I certainly want a world where gender is a fun little thing and not an life defining element.

Honestly, no. I am working in programming. There are no women. We both know why and the answer is sexism.

But even on the way into the job, I have only twice experience someone telling a woman to not do IT that was when I was a student. 1. A classmate, and everyone gave him a lot of shit for it. Seriously, I don’t think he had a friend in the class afterwards. 2. A father telling his daughter. And there I jumped in and challenged him on it.

It is difficult to spot sexism in a different department.

Edit: I misread the question. in my friend circle, I can’t recall any woman complain about sexism at their work, but a former female friend in china. The women in my life had issue with their work but I don’t recall specifically sexism. Tbf, a lot of them work in jobs that are “women jobs” like caretaker.

2.nd edit: I just recalled 1 case where someone complained about sexism to “me”, friend of a friend and I was present. But honestly in that case, it was really bs. Girl admitted that she didn’t know what she was doing and admitted that she didn’t want to learn and then complain why everyone else got real work in the internship… So not the ideal case to talk about the very real sexism in society.

If you don’t mind what do you mean that you understand now how people can believe sexism isn’t an issue?

I want to stress that it is an issue, I just have a difficult time believing some of the shit because it seems so comical to me. What kind of person is that way?

Assuming that it is cultural, as it seems like your comment kinda assumes that. Like it seems you are saying, it was cultural but by now it is kinda intentional.

I would argue “willingly ignorant” is bad but also not making it less “unconscious cultural”.

If they were willingly ignorant but also no cultural sexist, they wouldn’t be an issue.

So well you have a point, but I would say that the unconscious cultural sexism could lead to willfully ignorant and you would kinda expect it.

I am not saying, you are fully wrong about the willingly ignorant part, I just don’t think it would remove the cultural part.

Edit: ups edited the wrong comment. Sorry

I hear you but what cranked it up to 1000?

Like I always saw my mom as a extremely competent person, as a child she was flawless. Nowadays, I see her flaws but I am flawed, so if my father and any person I ever met. I am impressed by my sister and how I can be like the person that she is in many ways.

I am talking about my direct family because these women had a lot of influence on me. So I wonder, what was their experience like to think so poorly of women? Not blaming the women in their social circle for being “bad”, I just wonder wtf happened. Where does that belief come from? I don’t think they all had great experiences with their male role models but horrible ones with their female role models. So what is it?

I agree with you there. As someone in programming, I don’t quite have the opportunity to fight these things when they happen because… There are no women. (obviously linked to this) but I can’t call out behavior when it happens when I am not around. But I am happy to report that I have been vocal about my support of trans people and fought against transphobia, even at work. Obviously I am not happy it is needed.

So I am trying to see and support victims of discrimination.

As a man, it is insane to me that this is real.

I have a difficult time imagining malicious intent towards women by all these people. But given how common these stories are, there is something true about it. I just don’t understand why.

Is it really an unconscious cultural thing? Or am I naive about how my fellow men (I guess maybe women too) feel towards women?

Something in me refuses to believe that these people knowingly and intentionally harm women. But it sure as hell looks intentional.

I am not defending them. I am expressing my struggle with the reality of this shit.

If you need to pay for something, it is a huge red flag.