Well, no. Paying professors isn’t free. Some places just hide their salaries in their tax money. But sure. Everyone gets education (I agree with this). Some people choose to be artists and… I guess they just fend for themselves?
Now, let’s be absurd. Pretend I’M a artist. I made a blank canvas, and I’m willing to sell it.
Yes, I think I’ve already agreed to that fact. Which brings us back to: how should we pay for those people to be educated? Who should we choose to create things? What should we do with everybody else?
No, and I never said that I did. Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism? Yes, of course. It’s provably happened on both of our lifetimes.
Does that make capitalism the best solution? No. But obviously you’re gonna need to provide more data against it to convince other people. This is a weak argument.
what does education have to do with inventing anything?
How will we educate those workers, in order to produce better things? I guess some “workers” will be smarter than others. More intelligent. Should we send those stupider workers to the fields? Make them work off their stupidity while the genius, better workers invent new machines?
Absolutely not! I’d ask why they should, and obviously there are many reasons.
…you do know what engineering is, right? It’s… Definitely not a magic ghost inhabiting halls. It’s learning physics, electronics, programming, and, well, engineering to create novel solutions to problems people have.
My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason; I I can’t find a reason for that.
It’s coming from someone who dedicated their entire life to being smarter than you or me about electronics.
Go on. Give your opinion.
… It’s coming from the culmination of, like 5 decades of absurdly educated engineering. If you want to call them workers, then sure.
Okay, sure, I’ll play devil’s advocate. The engineering that goes into a single iPhone is unfathomable. It would take an entire lifetime of study to even try to produce something close.
But Apple pays about a jillion engineers about a jillion dollars each, and so they’re able to create new iPhones every year or so. That was 100% powered by capitalism.
Yeah, workers physically put the pieces together. Do you think any of them could design an iPhone without any help or reference? Or a single body to tie it all together?
Okay I got this. According to last night I just gotta fill my bed with spiders, while also dangling from a very very high height, and I guess I’m in that one friend’s house from 5th grade I visited that one time?
Also, check this out: I can throw something in the fire and it definitely won’t burn you.
(Giggling) no, really, pick it up! (ppppfffthhhh)
Yeah, whatever settings the washer and drier came from the factory with seem to be doing me just fine.
I am seriously that dumb. Can you give me an example of someone who used it and was affected by this?
Yeah, none of those are affecting me right now. I don’t think they’re affecting you, either.
Isn’t it weird that you, also, can’t name a single person who was affected by this?
Yeah, but you didn’t bother to actually follow the link or read what it says. There was a bug in Microsoft’s VPN implementation (which no one uses) which affected no one, until they fixed it.
You didn’t answer me, so I’ll give you another chance. You must’ve missed my question last time. Which VPN were you using which stopped working after a windows update?
I hope you weren’t just lying to my face.
No, you’re just making shit up and saying it as if it were fact.
I don’t disagree with any single point that you’ve made. I agree with most of them.
But you mentioned linux. Tell me again, Linus Torvald, was he employed under a capitalist country when he created linux? How about most of its contributors?
Your point is easily defeated. Please make a better argument.