Different groups of people, and different sub groups within those, react to things in different ways, and I think most would argue that the group of people who responded in the opposite way rather than getting along were not a detriment to the whole movement.

To your point specifically about California surgeon general warnings, quite a lot of people take them seriously, including myself. In most cases they aren’t off the mark by much if at all.

This won’t affect tobacco in anyway. The only reason its in the conversation is because of the term “Tobacco-style label”.

Youll have to connect the dots better on how social media popup warnings would cause people to smoke more.

Why can’t anyone spot a grift anymore? The IA is hugely profitable, and is very clearly crafting PR statements designed to increase donations. Has noone had their trust abused before? If they were trying to make change around this subject they wouldnt be so dishonest in their messaging.

IA are not Robin Hood.

I agree, and I’m most interested in what innovations we can come up with in as people start to care more and more about their health and diet, and learn that animals and humans deserve respect no matter how far away they are.

I think the only disagreement I have is that I think we do need to condemn it as a whole, and set the ultimate goal of abolishing the practice. We can still compromise on the way there. I think this is a problem we could solve if we could agree on the goal, although its most important we are heading in the right direction regardless of the end goal.

I think what is going on here is that this person would have to admit america has committed awful and repeated war crimes over the years, just like Israel is now.

You can tell because they use Americas past wars/incidents as a standard to compare against.

Their position is so unpopular here because most people here would never hold up America as a standard for international relations, unless to illustrate what NOT to do.

So, in your opinion, this is all okay because the alternative is war with Iran?

Why are you so sure that will happen if Palestine and Hamas survive? Are you concerned that it might be bias giving you so much confidence?

I have to say that it appears like you are just imagining a worse outcome (whether likely or not) and using it to justify a slightly less bad outcome.

Seems like shaky ground, no?

I’m not saying everyone experiences things the same way. Everyone has their own perspective, and most importantly, is capable of changing it. I think the perspective displayed in the “life rushing by” memes, is negative and toxic. I think if that meme resonates with you, then it might be helpful to think about why.

If you didnt want to discuss your perspective compared to mine, I’m not sure why we are talking.

If you really wanted to know my feeling when I saw this post, since you made quite a few guesses, I felt hopeful that I could share my perspective with others and learn more about theres, using the meme as a vehicle.

I never argued each could try should be self-sufficient. Globalism has made it so most people are capable of eating vegan diets, should they choose to. Countries depending on each other to trade food is fine by me, most western countries do this already.

We also dont need to keep growing the human population globally the way we have been, its alright to slow down and figure out how to take care of the people (and animals) that already exist.

You are the one acting like its black and white, saying its either a ban or not at all. Exceptions will need to be made for many reasons were this to be implemented today: for those who can’t grow or ship their food in, for those that have to deal with the environmental considerations you mentioned, or those with any number of medical conditions that affect nutrition and diet.

If the self-sufficiency thing is so important to you, can you tell me which countries currently meet that label? Is it most countries? How are the self sufficient countries doing overall?

Well you’d have to make exceptions for those that can’t have their food shipped from better climates and also can’t grow their own food. I’d imagine those peoples lives wouldn’t change much from now were the rest of the world to stop eating meat.

Everyone who has the ability to avoid eating meat, should. Bringing up exceptions doesnt negate that position, its built in.

Well that is a lot to deal with, and I can relate to being optimistic that you will grow to like something. I can respect that you have put in quite the effort towards compromise, which is right even if its not reciprocated.

I will say that you shouldn’t judge all potential relationships from the current one, just the same as you shouldnt judge all potential companion animals from the current one.

And to be frank, I’m not surprised the dog behaves that way given the environment you described. You must admit that there is far less time to worry about the dogs well being when you and your partner might both be depressed, and despite what you say about souls, dogs have feelings and are extremely empathetic towards humans.

Its very true that dogs take on the emotional traits of their owners, including negative ones.

Your defense of keto boils down to: people need to lose weight fast or they will give up, so its useful? Its an incredibly damaging diet if you were to stay on it for life.

And if you are only meant to use it to lose weight, what exactly do people transition to when done?

People vary in their adherence to their own morals. Some change their morals more often than they change their actions.

I choose to be someone who puts my morals above my wants, at least as often as I can, and I try to learn all the time if there are other ways I am inadvertently going against my own morals.

Edit to add: I also used to agree with veganism and not take part, mainly out of fear it would be too hard and I’d fail or hurt myself. And then one day I just did it. I dont regret it one bit.

Well since they were trying to stoke conversation, and you are conversating now, seems like it worked just fine.

We are always working at solving problems. Right now the world is trying to figure out how to have its meat and eat it too, and spending all of our energy and money on that.

If we decided the problem was figuring out how to grow plants in those conditions, I bet you’d find we would improve that too.

Why are you bringing up historical facts? Noones planning to go back in time to make people vegan earlier.

We are talking about now, and right now, could those Scandinavian countries get by with substantially less meat? I’m not sure but quite a few of them are trying limited promotions like a vegan day of the week to promote health.

Meat is not good for us in large amounts, people need to understand that. They seem to with fish, just apply that to the other meat too, just it kills you slower than mercury poisoning would.

They didnt say everyone needed to be vegan, just that being vegan become the norm. There will always be edge cases, and people can do whatever they want in the wild of course.

We can push forward and try to figure out how to slaughter even more despite all the problems that are coming with increased line speeds, or we can choose a different direction and tackle those problems.

Noone said the solution was perfect, just better. Are you afraid of improving yourself?

What do pesticides have to do with veganism?

Sounds like the problem is with pesticides.

Maybe if you spent more time getting to know the dog on his terms, and then started training him once he respected you, you would come to realize you are choosing to hate this dog.

Such a fascinating position you choose to be part of. Does your gf know you hate dogs so much? How did she end up getting a dog knowing this? Why would you date her knowing the dog comes with it? Why wouldn’t you talk it out with her and come to some sort of compromise?

Doesn’t gambling for a living by definition mean you have to play with stakes that matter?

Honestly if people could only gamble with their own money, I might feel different about it.