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I’ve answered every question,

I can think of one you haven’t answered…

There are a few more, actually. Another good one would be:

What types of stories or comments would you like to be able to post on lemmy.world that you currently cannot, can you give me an example?

If you send me an article you would like to post on lemmy.world, that doesn’t violate any kind of community rules but that you think will be banned because it is anti-DNC or anti-Israel, I’m happy to post it and see whether it gets deleted as part of their grand conspiracy to make sure that the postings are only 99% criticism of Israel and preventing you from securing that vital last percent.

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One thing you have to remember about the communists is they see everything through the lens of class.

I almost agree with this. At least with Lemmy Communists, if you try to get them to sympathize with the Chinese working class and their struggle against their ruling classes, they will all of a sudden become a landlord-supporting cheer squad. I think WistfulNihilist pegged it right, they see everything through the lens of “our team vs. your team” and don’t care very much about the facts or will deliberately twist them around to suit that narrative, because they think that’s what they are supposed to do.

They’re zealots, no different from how a religious fundamentalist views everything in the framing of their religion’s worldview. Attempting to remain objective takes a backseat to these goal-oriented perspectives.

Completely agree. And I sort of agree with the other bit, I don’t really consider them as “enemy” because of that or anything. I’ve had productive conversations with them sometimes and sometimes learned relevant things. But yes, it makes them dangerous, and it also makes it darkly hilarious that they constantly accuse everyone who isn’t uncritically on their team in all things, of being victims of some kind of dogmatic propaganda and say that they’re only banning all dissent on their instances because they’re trying to help everyone see the light.

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Are you permabanned from !politicalmemes@lemmy.world? It doesn’t look to me like you are.

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=5159239

Can you show me a screenshot of the permaban?

It looks like they removed those comments. I mean, I actually agree with you here, they shouldn’t have removed that, it’s sort of a slippery slope to go down that “misinformation” should be subject to prior restraint, because one person’s misinformation is another person’s dissent.

Regardless, it doesn’t look to me like they are banning “critique of Israel,” or for that matter of Democrats. Look at the rest of the comments section where your comments got removed, or the link to the search I showed you. Surely you can see that critique of Israel is the almost unanimous majority viewpoint on lemmy.world, right? Or no? Tell me, that’s not just a rhetorical question.

Most of the things you get banned for are for intentionally misrepresenting the other person’s point of view, which makes perfect sense to me, or apologia for genocide (presumably in Xinjiang) which I agree with you they should not ban for. My point is that critiquing Israel is absolutely fine on lemmy.world. Is that all you have, is that one time a year ago, a few of your comments got removed? Have you ever been banned from !world@lemmy.world or something for critiquing Israel? I critique Israel constantly and I have never been banned for it. This just seems like this wild counterfactual world you are trying to spin up here, where all I see factually is that a year ago one time you got some comments removed. Maybe I am missing seeing the permaban but I don’t see it.

it’s pretty clear that the leftism is the issue for them

If you make up facts and then use them to justify with an expansive spun-up narrative about it, then sure. My point is that when you ground it in the actual facts of what happened, it becomes a lot less pretty-clear.

All in all, it’s well-documented that the Lemmy.world mods and admins have a number of team members actively hostile to critique of Israel,

https://lemmy.world/search?q=israel&type=Posts&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopWeek

Click on any one, and you will find a comments section absolutely chock-full of critique of Israel. What is it that you are complaining about? What types of stories or comments would you like to be able to post on lemmy.world that you currently cannot, can you give me an example?

You can critique the DNC, etc.

remove critique of the DNC as “misinformation,”

Got it 😃. Anyway, can you point me to one single instance where something critiquing the DNC was removed as “misinformation”? I don’t know anyone active on LW, in or out of authority, who likes the DNC.

cultivating an environment hostile to such views among active users, and giving infinite leeway to moderators and power users that constantly shit-stir

Yes. Like I said, your complaint is that they don’t ban people who disagree with you, or “shit-stir” in the propaganda framing. By not banning your opponents, they are “cultivating” an environment where people are allowed to be hostile to you, and you don’t like that.

(Of course, on Hexbear, that framing is accurate – anyone who comes in with a “liberal” viewpoint will, indeed, stir shit, because dozens of people will start howling, posting abuse, yelling at them, basically turn the thread into a debacle, and then they will be banned. Which, like I said, is why Hexbear is widely defederated.)

I have more to say on the wider issues, but let’s start with asking you to back up the statements about LW’s moderation by answering the factual questions above. I actually strongly dislike lemmy.world’s moderation also, just for different reasons than you do, and I think your reasons are entirely just fantasies that .ml and friends share between themselves that have no basis in reality. Show me why I’m wrong though.

Honestly, Cowbee is one of the few over there that I retain full respect for. They tend to stay on topic and polite, and that’s good enough for me. The rest I can accept under viewpoint diversity.

I don’t know, man. He’s not unhinged or assaultive like some of his comrades, but he engages in wild bad faith, misrepresenting the other side’s arguments to make his own look better by comparison and similar behavior. I feel like there is a word for what it means when someone’s generally civil, but their way of approaching the conversation is offensive and unproductive…

(I actually don’t agree with “sealioning” as a sin. Generally it seems like it’s a way to evaluate a discussion where one participant is being focused and factual, and the other one is being unhinged and changing the subject, and claim that the focused and factual person is the evil one. But Cowbee to me is a perfect example of someone who even when being “polite” generally speaking is poisoning the well. Just check out his assertion in this thread that everyone on lemmy.world is on the DNC team and just deletes any leftist viewpoint of any type… I don’t know, maybe he genuinely believes that. But it is clearly nonsense from anyone who is paying attention, and you can literally see people in this thread trying to tell him that’s not the reason and him rejecting it “no that is the reason” and so on.)

@Cowbee@lemmy.ml would it help if I offered specific examples of the wild majority of the lemmy.world viewpoint being anti-DNC and people posting leftist viewpoints equal to the lemmy.ml viewpoint? I completely guarantee you, this is one of those MAGA “free speech” type constructions where you are upset because lemmy.world does not ban dissent from a very particular leftist viewpoint, and you’re conflating that with them banning the leftist viewpoint. If you genuinely believe they ban leftists I can give more or less an infinite number of examples of the leftist viewpoint you want to see, not being banned from lemmy.world.

Ha, I appreciate it

You either put that much energy into something because it’s passion or a paycheck

Yeah. Well, kind of. One of the hallmarks of the people I think are getting a paycheck for it is that they don’t really seem to give a shit whether the stuff they are saying makes sense or is believable. They might go back and forth for a long time, but they don’t get invested in it, it’s just “here’s why we all think Kamala Harris is an asshole, obviously” and then on to the next comment.

But it’s fun to watch, by Jobe!

Eh. This particular argument caused me to flee in alarm within the first few comments.

It did actually inspire me to look up whether a massive argument I had with one of the lemmy.ml people some time ago was Cowbee or not (if it had been, it would have been a key insight as to what made him tick). Alas, it was not. Sometimes I enjoy talking with these people (I think I actually have had some extended talks with Cowbee about Communism, which were fine), but this one I think both people were focused so much on minutiae that it quickly became unbearable.

You gotta imaging anyone spending as much time as them anywhere on the internet, doing that much typing, being so obtuse and weird.

looks around nervously Haha yeah… yeah…

I’m a little bit curious what’s going on there. The right-wing political “fellow leftist” booby trap users are fairly easy to identify, likewise the people who are sincerely expressing bad opinions (that grouping can even be fun to talk with for a while I think.) I even mastered some of the weirder characters like Yogsoth and recognized some who work along similar lines. Recently I have added streamer stans to my little menagerie of weird-Lemmy-interact-ers, I sort of tried for a while to understand them and stopped without really having reached enlightenment, but it is okay.

Cowbee is not any of those. He is still a mystery to me. He must be sincere about what he’s saying, no one would spend that level of time and energy unless they meant it on some level. And his style of argumentation doesn’t really betray that he doesn’t believe it himself or know that it is factually weak… if I had to guess, I would say that he is completely sincere, he just kind of has some alternative facts at work that are hard to break through because it’s all bedrocked on this alternate reality, coupled with I think an emotional attachment to “his team” needing to be the right team that must be defended at all costs. That’s my best guess honestly. I think the infinite energy comes from wanting to stand up for “his people” in some sense, and I think he cares to send infinite messages on whatever topic and wants to rearrange facts around to support whatever he’s trying to “win” at the moment just because it is fun to fight for his team and feel successful.

But honestly, that is all guessing. Another possibility is that he has a position of leadership in some kind of leftist organization, and so this stuff is tied in with his sense of self-image, and so he has to defend it to the death any time it comes up and comes onto his radar. No idea. He’s not really stupid or vacuous like a lot of the infinite-internet-arguers, but talking with him is usually not productive just because his side of the conversation will contain 0 listening, so you’ll just be hearing lectures until you feel like stopping the interaction.

• Old and busted: Not feeding trolls
• The new hotness: Being rude and out-of-pocket back at the trolls so they get discouraged and don’t want to interact with you

A while back I weighed in on the “Hasan Piker shocked his dog with a dog collar” controversy. To no one’s surprise, a whole bunch of shouty people emerged to write all sorts of excitingly unproductive comments to me. After a while of fumbling with how to cope with it, I made the policy that every time one of them posted something hostile and content-free at me, I would make a whole new post of some horrible video about Hasan and link them to it. It took them a few repetitions, but eventually I think they realized that they were producing the opposite impact as they were aiming for, and every comment of theirs was spreading the criticism instead of bullying the criticism into silence as they had intended. They stopped interacting with me lmao.

Similarly I tend to get banned from Hexbear and lemmy.ml. I don’t think you should troll the trolls, and definitely you shouldn’t just play the straight man to their little game, but modern trolls in the Lemmy sense aren’t usually just trying to amp up pointless controversy for no reason. They usually have a goal. If you stop playing the game they are trying to dictate to you, and instead just work to undermine the goal, it’s all of a sudden not fun for them anymore and they leave you alone. This has been my experience.

Welcome to the circus lol

You can’t exactly go into the stables voluntarily, and then complain that you have horse poop on you now. It is known as a common feature, and if you didn’t know, now you do.

Holy God… you are talking to Cowbee. Rookie mistake.

I have no idea about the substance of your ban, because I got bored before coming anywhere close to reading the whole thread, but more or less, the type of behavior you encountered is why these guys are banned in a lot of places. It’s weird transparently dishonest boosterism combined with claiming the right to “destroy” and troll anyone who is an enemy, also lying about what your opponents believe and why they believe it, and then getting aggressive with anyone who dares to disagree, and then inevitably whining about the colossal ideological unfairness when they inevitably get banned.

lemmy.ml and Cowbee are best left alone I think, except periodically to point the way out to freedom for anyone who’s wandered into their orbit accidentally.

For anyone reading: The context is here, including Cowbee being published on lemmy.world while aggressively whining that his team is forbidden from speaking on lemmy.world for ideological reasons, and then this comment (from this thread) as I guess the final instigation for the ban:

No, you directly lied in the face of evidence and claimed no bolding happened

Wrong.

You’re fully aware of the absurdity of your replies, any treatment of your “points” as anything other than the trolling they’ve been would be fruitless.

Projection. Open invitation to stop playing this little game and engage with my response.

This one made me laugh though. You’re not wrong. I get the impulse to want to spend extensive time trying to prove Cowbee wrong and hope he or someone involved will see the error of him, but that’s the playing-chess-with-the-pigeon game, probably a tactical mistake to spend too much time on.

• Reject Unix, return to Plan 9
• Think through how to provide a consistent ABI for shipping binaries (and installing third-party packages) easily in a distro-independent way. Maybe just freeze a minimal (versioned) ABI, and have vendors have the option to ship binaries compiled against that frozen ABI, similar to how 32-bit compatibility works. Then you can do all the package management stuff for binaries that want to do it that way, but you can also support third party programs without it being a catastrophe.

Yeah, pretty much.

* Also the bombs have not stopped

I actually think the underlying issue is that the voters are as dumb as a box of hammers at this point.

There certainly is a problem that happens in American when people elect sheriffs who are totally incompetent, or partisan and corrupt, or just like this guy seem like they might be motivated more by thirst for vengeance against the allegedly-guilty than they are by trying to make the world a better place. But I actually think the real issue is that people see a couple of campaign commercials or articles like that, and see how well their emotional manipulation lines up with that person’s particular emotional stereotypes, and that is literally as far as it goes in terms of deciding who they pick to shape and mold the world they live in.

That’s why we have Trump, that’s how we got Mitch McConnell, that’s how we got the DNC who kneecapped Bernie Sanders. If people were informed and then actively engaged in shaping the government that rules over them day to day, then electing sheriffs would be fine (actually probably better than having the old boy’s club pick them). How we get from here to there, however, I have no real idea…