I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I’d rather hear about things that are actually happening.

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    China is a dictatorship/doesn’t have elections.

    I’ve yet to see anyone actually able to justify this without inadvertently calling large numbers of western liberal democracies dictatorships too.

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      Japan’s single party state is democratic and freedom-pilled!

      But yeah lol. The US throwing stones about democracy is hilariously hypocritical.

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      has propaganda elections ≠ has legitimate elections. it’s literally a one-party state genuinely cop on.

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          nope, usa is a two party first the past post system on a federal level and allows state levels to determine their own systems, both of which allows for third parties. you have no actual proof of voter fraud and jim crow era laws have been long dismantled. fuck off with that. yes, gerrymandering exists on a state level but that isnt a federal issue. your problem exists with specific states, regardless, a challenger can still win a gerrymandered state. now go prove china has a democracy on a federal level, you cant

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            Lol ok, I mean you have the ultra right and the right party. They are different, but the usa has a well defined external politic which doesn’t really change. So since I’m outside to me it looks almost like china

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              outside policy that doesnt change? literally every president has different external policy which is regulated by 100 changing members of the senate. what the fuck are you talking about.

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                  it’s almost like when youre a dictator you dont have checks amd balances to stop you and have much less recent predecessors to be compared to

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            to me, usa seems so politically inflamed it might as well be 2 “one partys” fighting each other.

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              literally the first line: ‘The People’s Republic of China is a one-party state ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).’ cope harder commie

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        They’re a dictatorship/have no elections ≠ they aren’t a dictatorship, and they do have elections, but I, as a foreigner who’s been raised on a constant diet of anti China sentiments, don’t consider them ‘legitimate.’

        I don’t consider the elections of most western countries legitimate, but I still wouldn’t call their leaders dictators

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            No, they have elections.

            Lol, China’s leaders do change. Maybe you should have done any research before just believing the lie you’ve been told often enough.

            and none of the east’s

            Are ok, you’re just a racist.

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                chinas leader change when they die

                I am once again asking you to do even a shred of research before wading into this discussion.

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                  It would help prevent a lot of useless bickering if you could provide sources for your own claims instead of begging others to do the work for you.

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                    Anyone who can’t verify for themselves that changes in Chinese leadership aren’t the result of the old one dying is nakedly talking in bad faith and just trying to waste my time. This is not the sort of thing you need to find academic papers for.

                    Note also that he was the one making the claim, maybe ask him for his source.

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          Not arguing, just an observation / reaction. I’ve learned that it usually does little good to discuss evidence and reason with people who hold extreme beliefs. The information is out there and available, but most of the time just discarded because it doesnt fit into their narrative. I wish you the best of luck with your propaganda beliefs.

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            The information is indeed out there, but it goes the opposite way to the direction you believe it does.

            I wish you the best of luck with your propaganda beliefs.

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      Why that last phrase? China being a dictatorship is true. And a large number of western democracies also are.