I’m sure Zelenskyy knows this isn’t realistic, it’s just politicking.
Yes absolutely. Nobody should expect them to join antyime soon
I have to believe this is just posturing for the people at home on the part of Zelenskyy. He has to know immediate membership of Ukraine into NATO means direct war with Russia leading to nuclear escalation, as Ukraine would immediately invoke Article 5.
Just saying “Ukraine will be invited to NATO once the conflict is over” is enough; it means whatever territory Russia gets to keep over the course of this conflict is it, because then Ukraine becomes NATO territory. It forces Russia to try and win it all (which they can’t) because there won’t be another invasion of Ukraine.
So tired of people saying we shouldn’t fight Russia because they may fight back.
Since yesterday I’ve been wondering:
If NATO declares that Ukraine joins after the war, wouldn’t that mean for Putin that he can’t sell a peace deal to his people?
I think you’re right. And I think NATO wants Russia to completely commit to a war they can’t win until the government collapses and/or rethinks its global strategy.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve been thinking too. Zelenskyy had to know that a NATO invitation right now is not realistic. I think it’s posturing to invite constituents in other countries to also act offended that Ukraine isn’t helped more, which then would be in the form of more war support, since it can’t really be much else. Can’t blame him for always taking all opportunities to get more support.
Because he wants nuclear annihilation.
If they offer an invitation right now, then this is no longer a war between Ukraine and Russia, it will be a war between NATO and Russia. How do you think that ends?
WW3 may be the last world war. No one is eager to start it.
It ends with Russia losing. As long as NATO makes it explicitly clear they will not attack Russian territory nor violate Russian sovereignty Russia has no basis to escalate beyond Ukraine. A nuclear war between Russia and NATO would result in the total destruction of Russia (and everything else of course). Russia wouldn’t start one unless they felt their existence was threatened.
Russia wouldn’t start one unless they felt their existence was threatened.
I’m really sorry, but a helicopter loaded with green money seems more likely an exit from such a situation.
I hope you do understand that people in Kremlin are degenerate thieves (also mass murderers, of course), they very strongly care for their own lives, but “Russia’s existence being threatened” is their last concern. After all, they’ve contributed so much to that threat that nobody in 1993 would believe it’s even possible.
So - no, nukes won’t fly because of a threat. They may fly after there’s no integral Russian state, then there’s a little chance that somebody really delusional in a right way takes control of some nukes. I’m not sure if something like this can happen.
It already has been a war between Russia and Nato. Where do you think Ukraine is getting all of their military equipment?
I think it’s obvious there’s a difference between lend-lease support of a nation defending itself and full on world war.
The difference is we can use Ukraine as a proxy and don’t have to send our own children to die. This war could last for 100 years and the only cost is NATO treasure, plus Ukrainian and Russian blood.
Does Zelensky actually think he’s joining NATO? America won’t let go of such an easy proxy war puppet otherwise NATO would have 60+ members by now.