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- news@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- news@lemmy.world
With a border deal hanging in the balance and the Iowa caucuses a month away, Donald Trump amplified his attack on immigrants at a rally in New Hampshire on Saturday.
“They’re poisoning the blood of our country,” the former president said. “They’ve poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world. Not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world they’re coming into our country from Africa, from Asia.”
While in the White House, Trump sought to deter immigration by building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, building some 450 miles of fencing along the nearly 2,000-mile border, much of which replaced existing barriers. In addition to strict border security measures, his administration also implemented a travel ban for people from several predominantly Muslim countries.
As I watch the Muslim community threatening Joe Biden, I really truly wonder if they could actually cut their own noses off and vote for this clear threat to their existence in America.
That anyone can stand up and say this to a crowd of Americans and still legitimately have a chance to win the presidency is terrifying.
Understanding this phenomena is part of tolerance. Muslims are very hierarchal culturally. Generally new immigrants see themselves as on the lower end of the hierarchy with several layers of people above them who are within their rights to oppress them. Unfortunately, Muslims tend to see LGBTQ+ as belonging below them. Biden might be saying “we’ll make America better for you”, but until they see LGBTQ+ people as worse off than them, someone with a hierarchal mindset will not feel better off.
Trump might say “we’re going to oppress Muslims”, but he’s also saying “we’re going to oppress gays and trans much more”. Someone that’s hierarchal minded will see that as improving his position in society. Their position isn’t absolute, it’s relative.
To beat this we have to understand that most immigrants, not just Muslims, have a hierarchical mindset. We need to fight against social hierarchy as a mindset, and include that in the messaging we give to new immigrants. We also have to understand that LGBTQ+ rights are going to lose us considerable immigrant vote and time our pushes accordingly to ensure the best chance of success and the fastest possible progress.
Are you a Muslim? You’re very confident that you know how Muslims think.
Lol, I’m not sure what part you’re debating here. Arab/Muslim culture is very hierarchal and generally not pro LGBT. I’ve lived in Muslim countries long enough to understand those two things. Those are the only 2 “assumptions” I’ve made, everything else applies generally to a hierarchical (or socialy conservative) mindset.
If you want to debate those two facts feel free, I’d love to hear that there has been enough positive change in the last decade that most Arab countries are no longer hierarchal/patriarchal or have come around on LGBT rights.
Let me know, I’d love to see the studies!
So you’re not Muslim, then. Got it
The trick is really to give Joe as much hell as possible so hes scared we won’t. Doesn’t mean we have to keep our word.
Joe’s been at this a long time. He dgaf what people who can’t vote against him think.
They don’t have to vote for Trump. If enough people stay home then that may be all that’s needed. One thing for certain is that the right wingers aren’t going to stay home.
So you’re saying that the Muslim community is stupid enough to stay home and let Trump win? Clearly they’re aware of this reality as you are. That doesn’t make sense to me.
It beats the other message of Americans second. People are watching Chicago and NYC go down the tubes under the burden of illegal immigration. Marginalized communities are also seeing thier hand outs get taken by said groups.
So yea an American first message is very compelling and every day more people are flocking to it
This is not a coherent position. You’re basically just talking about feelings, not actual facts or policy.
Also, where can I find this “Americans second” message you speak of? Where did you see or hear that? Are you sure you’re not making it up?
Don’t feed the Nazi zombies.
Read up on new york. Illegal migrants are now taking poor new Yorkers food and shelter spots.
Go look at Chicago and the black marches against the mayor.
As long as the souther border is open then bidens message is Americans second.
Seems like you’ve been manipulated by propaganda. Your response is regurgitating talking points. It’s not a thoughtful, meaningful response to the questions posed to you.
I present to you things that are actually happening and you ignore it. I think you ate the one consuming too much propaganda.
Here are migrants taking low income new Yorkers food
https://youtu.be/7hI9sddVrQI?si=wdZfQbguwRbPcELq
https://youtu.be/Y5tldW8qMcM?si=p28CLAq-OoXRRVCs
Here are black Chicago residents seeing the mayor to get deportations going
https://youtu.be/iVh9wCKME5Q?si=Ba7Y9UXND8tMnJch
Of course I know the play book you operate on. You will ignore it or claim the sources are bias continuing to live in your own echo chamber.
Mean while the poor and desolate continue to get screwed over by bidens open immigration policy.
Yeah, how often do you even read anything outside your own echo chamber, i wonder?
I don’t reject sources because of who said it. I actually read stuff I don’t expect to agree with. Then I reject stuff I now know is founded on stupid arguments…
Oh, and without immigration, America would not exist. They are the blood of this country. Just saying.
There is a difference between legal amd illegal immigration. But you already know that.
Your comment is utterly irrelevant to the issue of blatant bigotry and prejudice. But that doesn’t bother you.
In your case, don’t touch grass; you’d probably poison it. :p
The poor and desolate are not such due to Biden “Open Immigration policy” (lmao, Biden has been continuing the same policies put in place by his predecessor as you can see here) but rather by the continued steal of resources put forward by commercial entities which have used the events of these past years to ramp-up the prices of their goods and services well beyond the natural increase rate caused by the same events (see point 2 of the paragraph “Ways to fight inflation” in the report at this link for reference).
Of course I know the play book you operate on. You will ignore it or claim the sources are bias continuing to live in your own echo chamber.
Mean while the poor and desolate continue to get screwed over by interest groups and this capitalist-centred society.
Billions are being spent on new illegal migrants over the poor and desolate Biden could have closed the border and used that money and the tens if not hundreds of billions sent to the Ukraine to fox homelessness here in the states.
Quod erat demonstrandum (as it was demonstrable) you completely ignored me showing you Biden kept the same policies of the orange cheeto in place when he arrived in the white house as well as the fact that the biggest thief of common resources are huge corporations and not poor immigrants coming to America in search of a better life.
Keep talking about being stuck in echo chambers for everyone else without reflecting about yourself as it is a standard for brainless people, I’m sure you’ll fit right in the crowd who will vote for the biggest threat to the democratic world next November.
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