• kromem@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    From the article, given it seems most people commenting aren’t bothering to read it:

    “When we take a deeper look at the anatomy and the modern physiology and then actually look at the skeletal remains of ancient people, there’s no difference in trauma patterns between males and females, because they’re doing the same activities,” Lacy said.

    Effectively around 60 years ago anthropologists just extended assumptions from antiquity around early gender roles in their analysis, gendering hunting tools and activities as male, and it wasn’t broadly questioned because it fit in the pattern of expectations for the time (again, largely influenced from patriarchal misinformation in antiquity which had extensive impact on Western thought over the past few millennia).

    Women did raise objections given the actual evidence over the past few decades, but it was allegedly dismissed as a feminist counter-narrative. The work here is attempting to more comprehensively demonstrate the case by showing that both physical markers of hunting injuries exist for both sexes and that the physiological capabilities to successfully hunt was present for both sexes.

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      1 year ago

      This claim comes from 2 people, I would be a little more cautious about broadly embracing there claims of systemic discrimination, without actually knowing the corpus of research on the topic.

      Also there claim of endurance being an important factor is suspect. Women have better endurance in that there performance drops more slowly than men, however the drop isn’t significant enough to result in any total advantage. Which is why women still lose in endurance competitions.

      It’s fair to say that women probably weren’t significantly disadvantaged in hunting (especially smaller animals), but it’s quite misleading to argue that their endurance added some additional advantage.

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        1 year ago

        This claim comes from 2 people

        You do realize that their papers are linked in the article and have references, correct?

        If you actually have doubts about their underlying claims, I’d encourage taking a look at those.

        Here’s an anecdote from a peer anthropologist who was a fan of their work and interviewed for a different story on it:

        In 2018 Haas was part of a team in Peru that found a 9,000-year-old person buried with an unusually large number of hunting tools. “We all just assumed this individual was a male,” he recalls. "Everybody is sitting around, saying things like, ‘Wow! This is amazing. He must have been a great hunter, a great warrior. Maybe he was a chief!’ "

        Haas didn’t even think to question the person’s gender until about a week later, when a colleague who specialized in analyzing bone structure arrived and delivered a bombshell assessment: The remains seemed to be female.

        The team then used a technology newly available to the field. Scraping the enamel from the teeth found in the grave, they found proteins that confirmed it unequivocally: This apparent master hunter was female.

        These kinds of “oops, it turns out someone assumed male was female/intersex” finds have been happening quite frequently over the past few years if you’ve been following the field at all.

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      The, “Everyone assumed roles were 100% different, but they were 100% the same, which really says something about you western people.” is distasteful to me and factually incorrect. We can see what people who live and lived without technology and access to shared culture do. Generally, men hunted more and women cared for children more. The observation has been that women spend a portion of their lives pregnant and nursing, so men go out and do things that require them to be away. We haven’t documented gender roles because preconceptions or because we’re western, but through direct observation. Those observations of how people lived could be combined with our knowledge of wear patterns on bones to construct a better understanding of how roles may have been less distinct and how bones wear. The assertion that we have 100% confidence in perceiving people’s entire lives by looking at bones and we can’t trust anything anyone said before because they were all sexist… excuse me… had preconceptions is unhelpful.