• antifa@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Yes, we all know that, but it’s weirdly conservative to remain fixated on past events instead of the current material reality

      • Linguistic_Biscuit@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        It’s “conservative” to judge a politician based on their record and actions?

        I mean, I guess you can take that point of view. But there are people still in jail based on that bill from thirty years ago. They’d probably like us to stop judging people based on past events.

        Wait - the entire legal system is “fixated on past events.” What are you even on about?

    • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 year ago

      Everybody voted for the fucking bill. If he didn’t write it, someone else would have. It was, unfortunately, very popular.

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          These are people we elect and I would definitely judge them based on their history. This is not once a cheater always a cheater kinda thing. If everyone paid attention to Trump’s history we would not have the courts packed with people that want the world of “The Handmaid’s Tales”. If we look at Bernie Sanders history you would see he’s always had the same stance of fighting for the average middle class and disenfranchised people.

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            I’m not saying you should forget, just that you should judge based on current policy and practices instead of harping on a bill he wrote 30 years ago.

            Your Trump comparison makes no sense because his behavior hasn’t changed or has arguably gotten worse over the same period of time. Everyone is aware of that too, the problem is half of the country doesn’t care.

            • Linguistic_Biscuit@lemmy.world
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              I’ll ask you - how would you feel about someone writing off this legislation as being “30 years ago” of you were someone who lost decades of their life to this draconian legislation? If you are a felon who can’t vote? If you are a minority person in your 30s who didn’t have a father for huge chunks of their formative years thanks to the mandatory sentencing laws?

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                I would say the same thing. I would promise to not fall into the same dogma that, 30 years ago, brought us that crime bill. It had support from a wide array of representatives and people. We the people have changed, albeit slowly, and now we understand crime and policing better as a problem. I’d rather focus on, rather than what people did 30 years ago, what we’re doing now to stop the same patterns and create new ones. Maybe Biden can be leveraged to put a dent in our police problem, perhaps he does feel a connection to the issue having written that bill?

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                If you think that people should be judged purely on their history, why should those convicted felons be allowed to vote?

                I want to point out that I think that should not be the case. Just that I think you should take a look at Biden’s current policy at and least acknowledge that he’s doing better than he was 30 years ago. Don’t forget the sins of the past. Just acknowledge when people do better and, maybe eventually, consider forgiving those past sins if he continues the positive momentum.

                • Linguistic_Biscuit@lemmy.world
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                  1 year ago

                  What would you judge people on other than their history?

                  I’m disinclined to forgive Biden when he hasn’t “forgiven” those incarcerated by his laws.

                  Biden has had the opportunity to make changes, which is great. Convicted felon a rarely get that chance

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      1 year ago

      So did the Congressional Black Caucus, and prominent local black leaders, who called for the crime bill not knowing it would disproportionately fuck up black people

      Turns out sometimes people are just wrong and that doesn’t make them evil