I mean a third this website probably agrees with that.
End of the day this online person is far more likely to be correct than the online idealists in this thread
A lot of the posters in here should really check out Clara Zetkin’s “The Struggle Against Fascism”
Facism is a very specific phenomenon, where the decline of the bourgeois state and its institutions, and defeat/failure of working class movments, pushes the middle layers of society petit bourgeois especially out of their privlieged positions, where they turn to fascist movements.
Yes obviously soc dem parties and states uphold imperalism and unequal development, and inherently cannot resolve capitalism’s contradictions. Historically the failure of reformist of soc dem movements (Italy and Germany) lead to the rise of fascist movements, as people who wrongly equate them with socialism and communism see their failure and are demoralised with their promise of socialism which are unfulfilled . Statements like soc dems = fascism aren’t really helpful. Being precise in our study and definining of fascism is essential if we want to combat and fight it properly.
Hot take here:
The whole “social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism” thing really pisses me off. If liberals == fascists, then words don’t fucking mean anything.
I don’t literally believe that but I say it to be provocative to soc dems when they support US interventions and stuff like that
See, I find that saying things that mangle words to the absolute limits of their meanings for shock value is actually a bad way to make people have better opinions.
what’s a better way to address a person trying to convince me there’s a pragmatic number of children to blow up?
That’s still imperialism. That’s not a mangling of words.
How is it any different? Because they kill 20 million communists in Indonesia and Latam instead of inside their own borders?
Edit: The DSA aren’t in power nationally and have yet to truly confront the contradictions of imperialism and the welfare state. In the best case scenario where they take power they will be forced to confront them.
The party will eventually have to choose between taking a revolutionary stance or choose reform and thereby wither in consent to capitalist imperialism. That will be decided by whether the socialists can win out over the social democrats.
Why do you think it has to do with how many people someone killed and where?
Berniecrats tend to not understand imperialism or completely support it through ways they think is different than right wingers. The difference between saying that putting kids in immigrant cages is bad but unilateral bombings in the middle east is good is superficial, from the point of view of the victim both are fascist actions.
the large, unexpected gain by people to the left of the country’s “left party” isn’t a full on revolution, therefore it’s bad to be excited by the possibilities it creates
I’m a commie too but come on guys, if we’re gonna uphold people like Maduro or Lula or Morales then the fucking DSA are our comrades too. The practical fact is that the left in the United States is still far too small to be picky about who gets to be inside the tent, the only people you should wreck are wreckers.
Maduro, Lula, or Morales aren’t tripping over themselves to prove to the right wing in their countries that they’re happy to drop bombs all over the world or sanction poor countries into starvation.
