• spudnik [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 months ago

    it’s incredible how warped the liberal world view has to be to try to make sense of anything

    It always reminds me of how people would not give up the geocentric model of the universe and had to keep coming up with more complicated explanations for their astronomical observations because they couldn’t conceive that one of their base assumptions would be wrong

    • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      This is true in the general sense that the Catholic Church was reluctant to update their interpretations of the universe. But what’s lesser known is that Galileo didn’t provide very good or scientific evidence at first. It was basically vibes that turned out to be right.

      Dr Fatima has a great video essay on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7a65AvELdU

    • Dirt_Possum [she/her, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      That’s a great analogy. Thank you, I might have to use it some time.

      When I talk to liberals about Marxism, I tend to compare it to the theory of evolution, swapping Darwinism for Marxism. Evolution is objectively correct, all of the real world evidence supports it overwhelmingly to the point that denying it is absurd, yet we still have these fervent creationists who do deny it absolutely and insist on building elaborate but ridiculous ideological mechanisms to explain away all the undeniable evidence for biological evolution. The liberals I talk to agree with all of that. So I try to explain to them that the world we live in is one where it is as if the creationists won. Those ridiculous ideological mechanisms creationists use to explain away reality are what our politicians and “economists” do. I ask them to imagine if the vast majority of society were to think of Darwinism, if they’ve even heard of it, as some failed explanation for the diversity of life, a little historical footnote of an incorrect theory. It is a society utterly stunted in terms of anything related to biology or ecology. Well that is the situation we’re in only it’s Marxism instead of Darwinism that has been tamped down and smeared as a misguided and false attempt to explain how the world works when in fact it is scientifically and objectively true. The canard that “Communism doesn’t work and it always leads to despots and failed states” is equivalent to a creationist saying “Well if evolution were true, why are there still monkeys? My grandfather was not an ape.”

      I’d like to think that comparison planted some seeds in some of them, especially the ones I knew who had backgrounds in biology and an abiding disdain for creationism. But I might have to borrow your analogy to add onto my little speech as another apt comparison to be made.