Closed source isn’t necessarily evil, neither is DRM. It’s all in how you implement it.
Valve’s launcher/drm are so much less intrusive than their competitors. They’ve demonstrated more openness to user customization and modding over the years than just about anyone else. If we didn’t have Valve, we would have more EA and Epic Games, do you really want that?
DRM isn’t evil, it’s just it’s current implementations and the fact that when the software is abandoned companies don’t remove it. There’s no end of life plan for their software
Also some forms in the past have been straight up evil.
I’ll never forget sending a letter to a dev because I lost their code wheel for a game I owned and they sent a letter back telling me to buy the game again ‡
I’d say that was my first step towards piracy
‡ Before anyone asks: No I don’t remember what game it was for or what company I sent it to, that was decades ago.
The main problem is the “No end of life plan” issue
If the software/game/whatever has to call a server to verify itself then when the company goes under or stops supporting it then the software/game/whatever becomes useless without a crack of some kind that may or may not be possible for the layman to implement
Companies need an end of life plan for their products with DRM
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It seems like Valve wants us to think they have an EoL plan. With the goodwill they’ve built over the years, I want to believe them.
I don’t get this trend of finding someone identifying legitimate problems with the best available option and trying to have discussion on a discussion website and drowning them with “B-b-but everyone else is worse! If we didn’t have [lesser evil] then we would surely have [greater evil]! Why do you want [greater evil]???”
identifying legitimate problems with the best available option
Being closed source and using DRM aren’t necessarily problems. In Valve’s case, they aren’t at all. Valve’s DRM doesn’t hurt performance, and doesn’t stop you from playing their games offline.
You say it like there’s some hypocrisy going on. Yes, I donate money to charity, no, I don’t leave all my money on my porch. Hot take: people should be allowed to sell their creations.
I mean, I can copy Baldur’s Gate on a PC where there’s no Steam at all and play it just fine, because the game itself doesn’t have any restrictions. If other games have DRMs I don’t think it’s Steam fault.
If you want to be totally free from DRMs you need to check GOG, if a game is there, it doesn’t have DRM, so neither the Steam version will.
I mean, I can copy Baldur’s Gate on a PC where there’s no Steam at all and play it just fine, because the game itself doesn’t have any restrictions
I don’t think so, no. You can do that with the gog version. With the steam version it’ll try to launch / connect to the local installed steam at startup, and fails if it cannot do so. You’d need to install a steam emulator like goldberg for it to work.
This is the case with most games (there are a few exceptions) on steam, even those that don’t enforce “strong” DRM. They want steam running. This is, by itself, a completely unacceptable form of DRM.
You can do that with Steam too, I know because I’m doing it. I have dual boot, I use Windows very rarely (I play on Linux) so Steam is not installed on it at all, I copied BG3 on it to try out mods because Mod Manager doesn’t work on wine for me.
I can assure you the game works perfectly fine without Steam.
With the steam version it’ll try to launch / connect to the local installed steam at startup
As you sure you’re using the right exe? bg3_dx11.exe and not some launcher?
Sorry, I should’ve clarified: I didn’t try it with BG3 (I use the gog version) - hence my “I don’t think so”; I simply assumed it wouldn’t work because that’s the case with like 99% of steam games.
This means Larian specifically implemented their calls to the steam API in order not to exit if it fails to connect; that’s indeed pretty good and in fact I know of only one other such exception to the rule: rimworld.
I simply assumed it wouldn’t work because that’s the case with like 99% of steam games
That’s because the vast majority of games implement DRM unfortunately, BG3 does not, Witcher doesn’t either, any game that does not have any DRM can be played fine outside of Steam, tho there are not many.
They also distribute the largest closed source digital restrictions management system…
So?
Closed source isn’t necessarily evil, neither is DRM. It’s all in how you implement it.
Valve’s launcher/drm are so much less intrusive than their competitors. They’ve demonstrated more openness to user customization and modding over the years than just about anyone else. If we didn’t have Valve, we would have more EA and Epic Games, do you really want that?
DRM isn’t evil, it’s just it’s current implementations and the fact that when the software is abandoned companies don’t remove it. There’s no end of life plan for their software
Also some forms in the past have been straight up evil.
I’ll never forget sending a letter to a dev because I lost their code wheel for a game I owned and they sent a letter back telling me to buy the game again ‡
I’d say that was my first step towards piracy
‡ Before anyone asks: No I don’t remember what game it was for or what company I sent it to, that was decades ago.
I’d say in your case piracy was 1000% justified. You bought it, you should be able to play it.
I think piracy is acceptable if one of these two conditions are met:
The main problem is the “No end of life plan” issue
If the software/game/whatever has to call a server to verify itself then when the company goes under or stops supporting it then the software/game/whatever becomes useless without a crack of some kind that may or may not be possible for the layman to implement
Companies need an end of life plan for their products with DRM
Someone actually emailed Valve about this back in 2013. Here’s their response: https://i.imgur.com/4sa1Ln6.jpg
It seems like Valve wants us to think they have an EoL plan. With the goodwill they’ve built over the years, I want to believe them.
I don’t get this trend of finding someone identifying legitimate problems with the best available option and trying to have discussion on a discussion website and drowning them with “B-b-but everyone else is worse! If we didn’t have [lesser evil] then we would surely have [greater evil]! Why do you want [greater evil]???”
Being closed source and using DRM aren’t necessarily problems. In Valve’s case, they aren’t at all. Valve’s DRM doesn’t hurt performance, and doesn’t stop you from playing their games offline.
You say it like there’s some hypocrisy going on. Yes, I donate money to charity, no, I don’t leave all my money on my porch. Hot take: people should be allowed to sell their creations.
Doesn’t that depend on game devs?
I mean, I can copy Baldur’s Gate on a PC where there’s no Steam at all and play it just fine, because the game itself doesn’t have any restrictions. If other games have DRMs I don’t think it’s Steam fault.
If you want to be totally free from DRMs you need to check GOG, if a game is there, it doesn’t have DRM, so neither the Steam version will.
I don’t think so, no. You can do that with the gog version. With the steam version it’ll try to launch / connect to the local installed steam at startup, and fails if it cannot do so. You’d need to install a steam emulator like goldberg for it to work.
This is the case with most games (there are a few exceptions) on steam, even those that don’t enforce “strong” DRM. They want steam running. This is, by itself, a completely unacceptable form of DRM.
You can do that with Steam too, I know because I’m doing it. I have dual boot, I use Windows very rarely (I play on Linux) so Steam is not installed on it at all, I copied BG3 on it to try out mods because Mod Manager doesn’t work on wine for me.
I can assure you the game works perfectly fine without Steam.
As you sure you’re using the right exe? bg3_dx11.exe and not some launcher?
Sorry, I should’ve clarified: I didn’t try it with BG3 (I use the gog version) - hence my “I don’t think so”; I simply assumed it wouldn’t work because that’s the case with like 99% of steam games.
This means Larian specifically implemented their calls to the steam API in order not to exit if it fails to connect; that’s indeed pretty good and in fact I know of only one other such exception to the rule: rimworld.
Ah ok.
That’s because the vast majority of games implement DRM unfortunately, BG3 does not, Witcher doesn’t either, any game that does not have any DRM can be played fine outside of Steam, tho there are not many.
DRMs are not Steam doing, it’s game devs.