child labor is used because it is cheap and raises profits not bc people buy the products produced with child labor, i don’t understand why this is causing a struggle session
child labor, poor conditions, exploitation etc don’t come from consumption they are a result of the logic of capitalism of profit maximization. the no ethical consumption phase is simply a tautology, you need to up end the mode of production not not consume, to consume is to live. logical conclusions need to be followed to their ends to figure out if you’re in a death cult or not
It’s causing a struggle session because we’re all still trying to shed our mental habits of idealistic morality. It’s hard and results in these sorts of things.
another point i’ll express here, bc i don’t want to wade into the mire below, is that the solution to the problems caused by the logic of capitalism is class struggle. you mention that loud boycotts work but they don’t, they don’t change the logic,and they use up a lot of effort
Agreed, that’s why I try to couple the statement that loud boycotts work with the caveat that it only works to achieve reforms. When one takes a global perspective in class struggle, that fits loud boycotts into a specific place in society and if one is inclined against reformism, it relegates boycotts to the realm of deck chairs on the titanic
child labor is used because it is cheap and raises profits not bc people buy the products produced with child labor, i don’t understand why this is causing a struggle session
Wtf does that even mean? Where do profits come from if you produce a product that isn’t sold?
child labor, poor conditions, exploitation etc don’t come from consumption they are a result of the logic of capitalism of profit maximization. the no ethical consumption phase is simply a tautology, you need to up end the mode of production not not consume, to consume is to live. logical conclusions need to be followed to their ends to figure out if you’re in a death cult or not
To consume what you need is to live. To enjoy your food is to have a good life. To consume specific treats is to consume treats.
Great succinct insight. Thank you.
It’s causing a struggle session because we’re all still trying to shed our mental habits of idealistic morality. It’s hard and results in these sorts of things.
another point i’ll express here, bc i don’t want to wade into the mire below, is that the solution to the problems caused by the logic of capitalism is class struggle. you mention that loud boycotts work but they don’t, they don’t change the logic,and they use up a lot of effort
Agreed, that’s why I try to couple the statement that loud boycotts work with the caveat that it only works to achieve reforms. When one takes a global perspective in class struggle, that fits loud boycotts into a specific place in society and if one is inclined against reformism, it relegates boycotts to the realm of deck chairs on the titanic
what did all this get you, to be called a TreatHitler?
Nobody is calling anybody else names as far as I can tell.
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https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works//download/pdf/condition-working-class-england.pdf