But, I do wonder, while you’re in this organization doing all this work showing the horrible crimes and abuses conducted by a particular chocolate company, should you lie about the fact that you yourself won’t give up those chocolate bars to your fellow activists, or just to the press?
I don’t think it’s a complicated question. Should you not lie to the press and public about it? Just openly munch down on a chocolate bar while playing a video of the kids behind you?
Help me understand how this works in y’all’s minds.
From the sidelines it looked like they were arguing based on system level thinking and you’re arguing based on the premise that individual participation of any level makes you fully culpable.
I don’t think individual action makes any meaningful difference and that’s what’s being argued. It seems pretty clear you believe the opposite and at a purely abstract level I guess there’s validity to this but at that point I could make an argument that you are just as personally culpable for all injustice in the world for not doing an adventurism as they are for buying a chocolate bar
Y’all keep assuming I’m coming at this from some kind of position of ethical capitalism, which I’ve clarified several times is not the case.
Do you see how it could undermine a publicity campaign against a particular product if the people promoting it refused to give it up, especially if it’s something that’s purely a treat, like a chocolate bar?
The point is not to be perfect but to do better and to encourage those around you to do the same. People aren’t bad for existing under capitalism and we all indulge in the exploitation of others to some degree but that’s utterly irrelevant to the point at hand. We can be better.
Maybe you’d like to answer for them then?
I don’t think it’s a complicated question. Should you not lie to the press and public about it? Just openly munch down on a chocolate bar while playing a video of the kids behind you?
Help me understand how this works in y’all’s minds.
From the sidelines it looked like they were arguing based on system level thinking and you’re arguing based on the premise that individual participation of any level makes you fully culpable.
I don’t think individual action makes any meaningful difference and that’s what’s being argued. It seems pretty clear you believe the opposite and at a purely abstract level I guess there’s validity to this but at that point I could make an argument that you are just as personally culpable for all injustice in the world for not doing an adventurism as they are for buying a chocolate bar
That’s not really an answer to my question.
Y’all keep assuming I’m coming at this from some kind of position of ethical capitalism, which I’ve clarified several times is not the case.
Do you see how it could undermine a publicity campaign against a particular product if the people promoting it refused to give it up, especially if it’s something that’s purely a treat, like a chocolate bar?
Even the chuds get this. Liberals are the only ones who don’t.
The point is not to be perfect but to do better and to encourage those around you to do the same. People aren’t bad for existing under capitalism and we all indulge in the exploitation of others to some degree but that’s utterly irrelevant to the point at hand. We can be better.