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Some of you need to watch this video, and hang your head in shame.

Dylan Taylor has been receiving constant harassment, including threats to his life and safety, for actions done collectively by SystemD. The article by Sam Bent was explictly mentioned as part of the harassment campaign, and rightfully so.

I don’t think enough people realize that this is catastrophically bad. It’ll discourage people from becoming open source developers, it’ll discourage people from using Linux, and it’ll discourage legislators from taking the Linux community seriously.

If you ever wished ill upon another human being for complying with a relatively inconsequential law, you are better off never touching a computer again. The Linux community has collectively gone so far beyond what is acceptable here.

  • jokeyrhyme@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    it would be very interesting to see that attempt

    but Poettering has already said that functionality doesn’t belong in systemd so I’m not sure where anyone would raise such a PR

    seems like an Ubuntu/RedHat level distribution design to pull in a brand new age-verification / mass-surveillance component, or maybe modify an existing telemetry component

    the birth date field only made it into systemd because it’s user metadata that is consistent with what is already stored there, whereas surveillance does not

    for now, at least

    again, I’d be very interested to see what happens with follow-up PRs

    • ExoticCherryPigeon@piefed.socialEnglish
      22·
      3 months ago

      Poettering closed the pr that was reverting this age field. What happens is adding more and more control in the future to conform to whatever idiotic laws someone might make. Should we then also implement a filter for what you type online to conform with Russian law about calling their war “SVO”? Its their law after all, so why not make the rest of the world conform? Its already years older then this age verification?

      • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        What happens is adding more and more control in the future to conform to whatever idiotic laws someone might make.

        Slippery slope

        Should we then also implement a filter

        Also?

        There is no filter here so the comparison isn’t valid.

        If we’re just playing hypotheticals, turn the situation around. What if some Russian state program was required to run on every machine and if it detected people not in compliance with the law it updated their location field to say ‘jail’. Should we then remove the location field?

        • ExoticCherryPigeon@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          According to the guy doing birth date pr, we should pre-emptively comply, so yeah… how about enforcing bans on promotion of LGBT propaganda that has been law in Russia since 2013? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Russia#National_laws

          The law subjects Russian citizens found guilty to fines of up to 5,000 roubles and public officials to fines of up to 50,000 roubles.[citation needed] Organisations or businesses will be fined up to 1 million rubles and be forced to cease operations for up to 90 days. Foreigners may be arrested and detained for up to 15 days then deported, as well as fined up to 100,000 rubles. Russian citizens who have used the Internet or media to promote “non-traditional relations” will be fined up to 100,000 rubles.

          Oh I know, lets introduce a field that stores an array of your nationalities, so any app developer can request your nationalities and adequately fine you for spreading illegal content online if you are Russian citizen. After all you can do that using a linux machine, so we gotta identify this now too. And the law also applies to foreigners. This law has been in place far longer than California or BR one. Who gets to pick and mix which laws apply and which don’t? But wait its okay its just an optional array, you don’t have to use it…

          Do you now see how insanely dumb this is? I am neither in Russia or USA, why should I have to put up with a censoring mechanism?

      • jokeyrhyme@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        3 months ago

        rejecting the revert is completely separate from accepting additional age-check / mass-surveillance PRs, you know this and you are being willfully ignorant

        I would be very upset and very surprised if hypothetical follow-up PRs were merged into systemd, and I’m betting they will be rejected

        • ExoticCherryPigeon@piefed.socialEnglish
          21·
          3 months ago

          How is it different? The ready acceptance of additional fields specifically for age verification is clearly proof enough that any further bullshit will be accepted just as quickly. PR description clearly outlines it is for the sole purpose of age verification…