• Veggie_Deluxe [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    10 months ago

    this shit sucks. It has the same wavelength as jordan peterson. Maybe it is because i have lived alone and taken care of all my shit myself for a long fucking time at this point that this kind of thing deeply annoys me.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      10 months ago

      What exactly annoys you about it? You are not the target if you are not a perpetrator of unfair sharing of labour by gender standards. Why get annoyed on behalf of those that are perpetrators of this problem?

      Edit: Shit just noticed the comm. Should I even be participating?

      • Veggie_Deluxe [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        10 months ago

        Because it has the implicit assumption of men being completely incapable of basic tasks? This is something you need to show to elementary schoolers, not a revolutionary slogan.

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          10 months ago

          While I was playing Battlefield 6 yesterday after being downed instead of reviving me a grown ass man on my team dragged my character’s body into the kitchen and left it there, saying that is where I belong.

          • Edie [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.net
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            10 months ago

            wtf


            ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘤𝘢𝘵. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

          • Veggie_Deluxe [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            10 months ago

            And that is absolutely horrible. My criticism isn’t that sexism and patriarchal repression don’t exist. To infer that from my point seems disingenuous. My point is that this is not a revolutionary issue. If the means of production were in the hands of a ruling party of the people tomorrow that would not effect the dynamic of deeply engrained sexism in those who are chauvinists. It is a separate issue. This flyer implies that when men pick up the slack on domestic labor suddenly they will gain a revolutionary consciousness and join the nebulous group ‘women’ in building a new world. If we wanted to have a thread discussing how culture can be changed and the next generation of boy will not harbor those same prejudices that seems good and useful, but this is just a flyer posted to a group that I would hope would be well past this point in improving themselves. Posting this here just seems like an empty gesture aimed at a stereotype.

            • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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              9 months ago

              Hmm. I think the poster is not aimed at the average man but is aimed at people who already have a revolutionary consciousness but have unaddressed issues with their own behaviour. The left, particularly in the UK at the very least, is deeply sexist.

            • woodenghost [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              9 months ago

              My point is that this is not a revolutionary issue. If the means of production were in the hands of a ruling party of the people tomorrow that would not effect the dynamic of deeply engrained sexism in those who are chauvinists.

              No, it totally is a revolutionary issue and yes, it would. First, the separation of the proletariat along geneder lines in productive and reproductive labor is a large cause of splits in our ranks and a huge obstacle to class consciousness. It’s also at the core of the fight for queer and trans Liberation.

              And second the need for this separation in exploited (paid) productive labor and expropriated (unpaid) reproductive labor is not a historic accident, but a systemic necessity for capitalism to even exist. It won’t go away until the means of production are in the hands of a revolutionary peoples party, that would, in order do reach this position, need to be aware of those material facts.

              Framing this purly in terms of sexism (ideology) is an idealist take. The ideology would be effected by the underlying material conditions changing, as it has historically, eg in the USSR.