Facts exist, but we can’t ever be certain of them. We do not experience reality. We experience what our fleshy input devices capture and transmit to our brains; our brains invent “experience” based on those inputs.
I am certain of the fact that Mt. St. Helens is a volcano that exists. I am certain of the fact that it erupted prior to my existence upon this planet, and while I have never laid my own eyes upon this volcano, though not for lack of experience I remain certain of its existence based on the shared experiences and existences of millions of others, and the data they have accrued.
I get what you’re saying with the whole “objective” part of objective reality; but it’s not like you’re going to mount a defense against the existence of Mt. St. Helens, right?
you’re going to mount a defense against the existence of Mt. St. Helens, right?
I will!!! Mostly to try and better illustrate what is being meant by “perspective is not reality”.
I am certain of the fact that Mt. St. Helens is a volcano that exists.
A mountain exists in that location that was formed via an underlying volcano, however the name for both is Lawetlat’la.
I am certain of the fact that it erupted prior to my existence upon this planet
Volcanoes themselves generally do not erupt, magma chambers erupt through (and via that process create) volcanoes.
I have never laid my own eyes upon this volcano
Nor have most. Outside of eruption events the volcano isn’t visible, only the mountain is.
The volcano Mt St Helens does not exist. Using the mountain of Lawetlat’la as evidence does not make the volcano Mt St Helens exist because while the mountain and volcano are distinct entities, standard naming convention is to call them both the same thing.
I appreciate the time and effort you spent on this, but it feels more like an argument against words than it does against concepts.
Colloquially, if I say “a volcano erupted” I’m not being inaccurate, even if it was the magma chamber that erupted; and if I say “Mt. St. Helens erupted”, everyone knows what I’m talking about even if the original name isn’t properly preserved or respected.
However, I find downvotes distressing so I’m abandoning this thread, and I shall not downvote you just because I disagree. I hope you have a lovely day. :)
Facts exist, but we can’t ever be certain of them. We do not experience reality. We experience what our fleshy input devices capture and transmit to our brains; our brains invent “experience” based on those inputs.
I am certain of the fact that Mt. St. Helens is a volcano that exists. I am certain of the fact that it erupted prior to my existence upon this planet, and while I have never laid my own eyes upon this volcano, though not for lack of experience I remain certain of its existence based on the shared experiences and existences of millions of others, and the data they have accrued.
I get what you’re saying with the whole “objective” part of objective reality; but it’s not like you’re going to mount a defense against the existence of Mt. St. Helens, right?
I will!!! Mostly to try and better illustrate what is being meant by “perspective is not reality”.
A mountain exists in that location that was formed via an underlying volcano, however the name for both is Lawetlat’la.
Volcanoes themselves generally do not erupt, magma chambers erupt through (and via that process create) volcanoes.
Nor have most. Outside of eruption events the volcano isn’t visible, only the mountain is.
The volcano Mt St Helens does not exist. Using the mountain of Lawetlat’la as evidence does not make the volcano Mt St Helens exist because while the mountain and volcano are distinct entities, standard naming convention is to call them both the same thing.
I appreciate the time and effort you spent on this, but it feels more like an argument against words than it does against concepts.
Colloquially, if I say “a volcano erupted” I’m not being inaccurate, even if it was the magma chamber that erupted; and if I say “Mt. St. Helens erupted”, everyone knows what I’m talking about even if the original name isn’t properly preserved or respected.
However, I find downvotes distressing so I’m abandoning this thread, and I shall not downvote you just because I disagree. I hope you have a lovely day. :)