Sanctions not going through Congress, it’s insane that’s considered constitutional
He governs by decrees basically, and so did biden. Its mental gymnastics at olympic level to call the US a democratic country.
Then Columbia put 50% tariffs on the US.
Love it.
Lol. They caved.
The US caved actually, Petro point was that the deportees werent treated like garbage.
The number of people here misspelling Colombia…
Yeesh, I started it in the post. Corrected.
German spelling is Kolumbien, it might have something to do with that.
It’s likely because there are a lot of things named Columbia in the US. District of Columbia, Columbia South Carolina, Columbia River, Columbia University, the space shuttle Columbia, and in Canada British Columbia.
Even after all these years, I physically cringe every time I read “ReTruths”
Seems like Trump’s strategy is to now bully countries into getting what they want. "I want them out!!! I want Canada!!! I want Greenland!!!
He’s basically the equivalent of the kid that flips over the monopoly table when someone bought a property before him.
I feel like all economies will soon be just trading with eachother, except with the US.
A growing number of Canadians are already calling for exactly that
They should start now. Countries should cut off trading with the US once Trump starts making threats in their direction, instead of waiting for him to make up his mind and do something. He’s too used to there not being any consequences.
It’s a good idea and countries started that with Russia though it’s still continuing. USA would just follow that model
What do they care about the exchange value if they’re not exchanging anything with the US?
Adjusted for PPP, the Russian economy is the 4th biggest in the world, experiencing a boom after the start of the war. Largest than any in Europe.
Everyone knows the USD is artificially inflated and has been for decades, propped up by oil and the threat of violence. Y’all gonna learn when this mother of all bubbles pops.
INB4 EU joins BRICS
Won’t happen. EU is designed to serve the US, but we’ll see countries breaking off and (re)uniting with Russia.
The problem with that is that anti-Russian sentiment is highest in the East, so there’s no way they will break off.
Also Russia is not China, they barely have anything to give in a trade relationship. Also, the Ukraine invasion is scrounging up bad memories in most of the member states, so there’s that.
In Hungary, arguably the country closest ideologically to Russia, EU membership has had a consistent 70-80% approval. They won’t break off.
Also, the EU is designed to protect EU business interests against international ones, so they will go where the money is, and under Trump, that may cease to be the US.
It’s highest in the North-East, lowest in the South East.
There’s currently no direct land connection between Russia and Moldava/Slovakia/Romania/Hungary,
and without it, there’s no potential protection.
Georgia is already slowly turning around.Russia is an ally of China. What they have to give is the same as the EU (Germany) has to give with the US as their ally.
So far the EU has done everything in power to not protect EU business interests and favor US business interests over anything else.
Are you from the Eastern EU?
It’s not like that. The EU invests insane, Marshall-plan amounts of money into its Eastern member states, and it very visibly goes into infrastructure. Even stuff that is stolen by corruption is just money that goes into shit nobody needs, but still gets.
Every second playgorund, every motorway and new line of rail, every scientific lab and every second pub has a big-ass sign next to it saying “Built for a kajillion Euros by the EU”.
Relations with the US are also independent from relations to Germany/France/the EU, especially since the US doesn’t like to deal with the entire EU at once, since they can’t flex their muscles as much. The US also doesn’t really understand it, look at the new chip restrictions cutting the free market zone in half. All that also goes for China by the way.
Russia is simply incapable of giving a better deal than the EU. It can’t afford and is not credible to even want to spend as much as the EU. Also, Estonian, Hungarian, Bulgarian and Polish are official languages in Brussels, would they also be in Moscow? It’s just not comparable. And nobody needs Russia to trade with China. In fact, the big BnR rail line China/Serbia/Hungary is doing - the one that sparked the current protests that might mean the fall of the Russia/China aligned Serbian government - specifically avoids Russia. Most of current Chinese trade actually is mediated by the Netherlands and Romania/Bulgaria.
All I’m saying is that from the Eastern European viewpoint, if the EU/US and China/Russia are both a bundle deal - I believe they are not - then everyone will choose the one that doesn’t have Russia in it. If it’s not, the US and China are not necessarily different as a trading partner.
I like how his statement paints not accepting refugees as a negative action
Trump wouldn’t recognize hypocrisy if it walked up and kicked him in the balls.
Norman Finkelstein said something the other day, quoting someone else…it was…“hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue”. Meaning, evil people understand what they’re doing is wrong, that’s why they pretend to be good. Hypocrisy is beyond the point to them. They’ve sacrificed morality. Although I think Finkelstein was saying it in the context of talking about how Republican pols do so much less of even pretending to be good (though certainly not zero).
I don’t think Finkelstein’s quote takes into account a severe narcissist.
In the narcissistic mind, the only right is something that benefits them, and the only wrong is something that harms them.
Well, the proof’s in the pudding - examine the evidence on this point, does he pretend to be something he’s not, better than what he is?
What refugees?
What would you call forcibly expatriated people
How or by what were they forced to leave their country?
By whoever put them on the plane they were on on Trump’s order that is mentioned in the post we’re talking about.
He is deporting Americans? That’s your argument? What does it take to become American?
I dunno, you tell me. I wasn’t making an argument just answering your dumb ass question.
Lol you answered nothing at all. Did you even read my original question?
It would be a good idea that Mexico, Columbia and other latin countries promote the Trump Wall, but expelling all US residents in their countries. A wall always works in both directions.
Man, I’d love to meet the man, just so I could tell him to fuck off and die.
A lot of these actually are criminals why should we have to keep them?
We don’t actually know what is going on. We had a system that favored protections for people presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Now Trump is moving so fast with a process that is not transparent and a rhetoric that is hostile and unsympathetic towards all immigrants. People are understandably suspicious that the immigrants were given a fair chance to defend their legal presence in the USA.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
They’re already rounding up native Americans in these groups. It’s only a matter of time until they start deporting randomly to other countries because ICE was already an incompetent organization and has done that previously numerous times, speeding things up just means more fuckups. Which is of course, the plan. Because it’s not about illegals, or immigrants, it’s about non-whites.
It’s really simple if you have a basic, or very tiny, ability to think about it for two seconds. Let’s see if I can help. Criminals being deported are a huge problem for any receiving county, you see, they often don’t have any legal pretext to imprison or arrest them, if they committed crimes in anther nation, it’s unlikely the can collect evidence, or call witnesses to a legal process, also, it’s quite rare to have laws that apply to actions that occurred outside all legaly boundaries. It’s it illegal if an American goes to a county they don’t have documentation to be in, then commit crimes outside the US against other people without any way for the US to detect or prove these actions? So if Colombia has an American who kills dozens of people in their country, and is charged and sentanced to life without parole, and then the decide YEARS after the fact to put them on a plane to LAX and throw them off the plane with no other effort, do you want to let that plane land? That’s fucking insane. The solution to this problem already exists. Instead of being a fascist stupid fuck, you can create an extradition process where we can accept the Colombian legal process and transfer them ourselves to a US prison without dumping serial killers at an airport on their own.
Being a threatening authoritarian isn’t solving this problem, and thinking every country in the world will simply accept people who have been convicted an sentanced in another nation is fucking stupid. And thinking they can’t manage to exist outside US economic good will it’s also stupid. If he think burning every ally in Latin America is going to hurt them more than us, he’s as dumb as everyone already knows.
Basically nobody opposes deporting actual criminals (not political crimes). The problem is that it isn’t the cartel members and bank robbers who get rounded up when a factory is raided. And the mother fleeing persecution is treated the same as the drug kingpin.
Basically nobody opposes deporting actual criminals
Deportation as a mechanism of punishment for state and federal crimes is generally bad policy. It is excessively draconian (it effectively renders them homeless, unemployed, and indefinitely denied their family and friends for… what? Too many parking tickets? Working construction without a license? Illegally camping?) for some. And entirely too lenient (deporting hardened criminals and cartel leaders like serial rapists or murderers effectively guarantees their release in states that can’t afford to jail them) for others.
That’s why we’ll often extradite gang leaders into the US from overseas, when the crimes are severe enough. Its also why “sanctuary cities” regularly look the other way for petty offenses in order to avoid the mass economic disruption of ICE interference in municipal matters.
Injecting immigration penalties into the civil justice system fucks with all the basic functions of local courts and prosecutors. It raises the stakes on minor offenses and gives the worst offenders a get-out-of-jail-free card.
All that is assuming you even have somewhere to send undocumented criminals. For people who are functionally stateless - migrants who came over as children without papers, refugees from countries that cannot repatriate them or effectively no longer exist, Native Americans who the Feds don’t want to recognize as legal US residents - the ability to deport is little more than Penal Transportation. Nevermind how it routinely violates the 5th and 8th amendment, it mostly just means bribing a small, bankrupt satrap of the US to accept planeloads of random people, often without so much as a proper conviction.
To be clear, Colombia already backed down and accepted all the demands. Which is unfortunate but not surprising. Starting to get “Just give Hitler what he wants and he’ll stop” vibes. Surprised folks didn’t learn their lesson…
I was waiting for the backfire of “look what happened to coffee prices!”
Maybe the US should take back the US members of ISIS that have been left (along with the people from the other nations that joined ISIS) for the Kurds to keep.
Well you see, we have long and storied history of fucking over the Kurds. You wouldn’t want to tarnish that record would you?
Look, I know that immigration is a contentious issue, but sanctioning a country for not repatriating its citizens is a disproportionate response. Trump and Co. are really obsessed with immigration to even do this. It says a lot what values they have.
It’s a response to make them do it. And it worked. They caved.
Yeah, I just saw the news that Colombia gave in.
Trump is going all in. He’s reverting to the 19th century way of strong arming other countries over petty things. He’s reviving the old-school capitalist imperialism.
Nothing wrong with throwing your weight around in this situation.
Getting married to a Colombian woman as an America. Is this going to hinder her from getting a marriage visa and coming to America with me?
With all the executive orders he’s spewing forth, I wouldn’t be surprised if you run into some roadblocks, if only out of confusion on the part of immigration officials. For both your sakes, I hope it isn’t too disruptive. Mazel tov!
When did you submit the marriage visa? Also congrats! My wife is also Colombian and these last few days have been a fun time
Edit: I wish I could supply more information directly, but I am still trying to learn the visa processes. A local immigrant lawyer runs a daily Q&A stream if you want to hop in and see if you can get a slot to ask about your situation. Link: Jim Hacking immigration law. Dood is a good guy who doesn’t bullshit and gets straight to the point. I hope everything goes well for you and your SO
It’s anyone’s guess, but Trump’s an idiot.
You both are getting rounded up for the next flight lmao
I was born and raised in the deep south brother. Hate to be rude but fuck off.
“Criminals they forced into the United States” = “Invasion”
“Repatriation” != “Deportation”
Repatriation is what happens when you return a POW to their country of origin. Deportation is when you return a criminal to their country of origin.
POWs are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system. They can be held indefinitely without charges, or returned to their country of origin, without judicial oversight. Since deportation is a judicial process, POWs are not subject to deportation.
POWs are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of US law; Trump is arguing that the children of “invader-immigrants” can’t be citizens.
