Any that’s the hypocrisy of Vegans. Milk and honey are the only two animal-based food sources that don’t involve the killing of animals. And in the case of most cow breeds, milking is actually needed as they have been bred to produce far more milk than their calves drink. And with careful management of the hive, you can harvest a lot of honey from a mature hive without negatively affecting the hive itself - it just delays/defers new queen production and swarming, which is desirable anyhow - no beekeeper who has hives primarily for crop pollination wants to have hives swarming each and every year.
You are free to have this opinion but how does it make vegans hypocrites? Everything you said is incompatible with veganism simple because you are commdifying other creatures.
You did a great job trying to make it sound like humans make their lives better by enslaving them though.
Cool, I don’t consider that causing harm. It is interesting though. I guess I could be moved to the side of it causes less* than zero harm to the plant, but I still don’t give moral consideration to plants in either case.
I will continue not eating animals, and continue eating plants, which is very much aligned with my values as a vegan. Feel free to try to change my mind but you’ve made no argument for it.
Milk and Honey involve absolutely killing animals. For milk the “excess” bulls are being killed. Not to mention the rape to get the cows pregnant for them to produce milk. Maybe we shouldnt breed animals that suffer at all. The bee hives get sugary water instead of their honey, this weakens the hive since its obvisiously unhealthy for the bees.
Also the honey bees suppress other natural bees, that are neccessary for many plants since the honey bee doesnt pollinate every plant.
Maybe we should just let the animals alone. We dont need them for food.
Vegans are more “consent” than focusing on the consumption.
Vegetarians eat honey and drink milk. Vegans don’t as they don’t feel that animals can consent to the actions being taken place on their body. It’s basically a form of “Can this animal agree to what is taking place?” question. If they can’t even answer a yes or no, then it’s a form of abuse.
Like how we consider that animals can’t consent to sexual acts. It’s wrong because we exert a force to them that they can’t even disagree with. Bestiality is obviously wrong, and I don’t think you’d find a lot of people who would disagree except those who perform it. But it’s weird that we view the killing and eating of them as normalized.
And I am saying this as someone who consumes meat. I fully acknowledge I am complicit, I just don’t defend my actions.
Any that’s the hypocrisy of Vegans. Milk and honey are the only two animal-based food sources that don’t involve the killing of animals. And in the case of most cow breeds, milking is actually needed as they have been bred to produce far more milk than their calves drink. And with careful management of the hive, you can harvest a lot of honey from a mature hive without negatively affecting the hive itself - it just delays/defers new queen production and swarming, which is desirable anyhow - no beekeeper who has hives primarily for crop pollination wants to have hives swarming each and every year.
You are free to have this opinion but how does it make vegans hypocrites? Everything you said is incompatible with veganism simple because you are commdifying other creatures.
You did a great job trying to make it sound like humans make their lives better by enslaving them though.
Plants scream when eaten:
Cool, I don’t consider that causing harm. It is interesting though. I guess I could be moved to the side of it causes less* than zero harm to the plant, but I still don’t give moral consideration to plants in either case.
Edit: meant more than*
So you are species bigot, and a hypocrite for refusing to take the ideology to it’s logical conclusion.
Cool beans.
Do you want to make a point or shit talk?
I will continue not eating animals, and continue eating plants, which is very much aligned with my values as a vegan. Feel free to try to change my mind but you’ve made no argument for it.
Milk and Honey involve absolutely killing animals. For milk the “excess” bulls are being killed. Not to mention the rape to get the cows pregnant for them to produce milk. Maybe we shouldnt breed animals that suffer at all. The bee hives get sugary water instead of their honey, this weakens the hive since its obvisiously unhealthy for the bees. Also the honey bees suppress other natural bees, that are neccessary for many plants since the honey bee doesnt pollinate every plant.
Maybe we should just let the animals alone. We dont need them for food.
Vegans are more “consent” than focusing on the consumption.
Vegetarians eat honey and drink milk. Vegans don’t as they don’t feel that animals can consent to the actions being taken place on their body. It’s basically a form of “Can this animal agree to what is taking place?” question. If they can’t even answer a yes or no, then it’s a form of abuse.
Like how we consider that animals can’t consent to sexual acts. It’s wrong because we exert a force to them that they can’t even disagree with. Bestiality is obviously wrong, and I don’t think you’d find a lot of people who would disagree except those who perform it. But it’s weird that we view the killing and eating of them as normalized.
And I am saying this as someone who consumes meat. I fully acknowledge I am complicit, I just don’t defend my actions.
the vegan society definition makes no mention of consent at all, only exploitation
Eggs? Even if you count “fertilized” as being an animal, the vast majority of eggs aren’t fertilized.
Ever heard of chick shredding? We need far more hens than roosters, so the males get shredded.