Leftism is to go against the current class order, Liberalism supports it. Leftism isn’t an arbitrary vibe, if you’re pro-Capitalism then you aren’t against Capitalism!
Political scientists and other analysts usually regard the left as including anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals. Movements for racial equality, as well as trade unionism, have also been associated with the left. Source
The sort of leftism you Marxist-Leninists advocate for is radical leftism. Social liberalism is still leftist.
Neoliberalism IS right wing! The contemporary “Liberal” is pro-war, anti-worker, and thinks leftism is a Foucauldian atomization of the workers by identity, a strategy that was literally seeded by the CIA as an anticommunist strategy (how do you think Foucault became universal in Western university curricula?) If you do not have class solidarity, you are not “left” period.
You think communism is the only way to advocate for socioeconomic equality?
Edit: This is a dumb question of course you do. Read the source on political scientists agreeing that social liberalism is leftist. Go ahead and disagree if you want
Nope, but advocating for “socioeconomic equality” by advocating for Capitalism, a system based on private accumulation and inequality, is hilariously wrong.
I understand the point you’re trying to relay; however, I’m going to have to disagree.
You’re basically saying that the only way to bring about systemic change is through Marxism, and I can’t agree with that. From another comment i posted:
There are other things like support for social justice and human rights, anti-imperialism and internationalism, desire for systemic change, secularism, opposition to traditional hierarchies, etc. Are you then going to tell me that these characteristics i have outlined are right wing? Or that they are only achievable by being Marxist or Anarchist?
Please explain how advocacy for Capitalism is adbocacy for Socioeconomic equality. Please. I’m a Marxist, you’re darn right, but I acknowledge that there are other left positions like Anarchism and Syndicalism. Liberalism is right-wing.
Bro what!! Liberalism is literally considered a left wing ideology by political scientists. It doesn’t matter what you think. You didn’t create this stuff.
Social democrats and social liberals are all left wing because these groups advocate for more government intervention which right wingers vehemently oppose. Do you think that the political spectrum only involves markets?
Liberalism is the political ideology of mainstream capitalism, particularly for the imperialist countries. As the global economic system for decades and decades, this makes liberals a conservative ideology, its members attempt to maintain the fundamental capitalist status quo. Its members that attempt to make substantial changes begin to push at the fringes of liberalism and end up working against it. Reactionaries try to “restore” a largely fictitious past glory and reinforce conservative social mores in order to scapegoat the problems of liberalism onto marginalized communities. Those on the anticapitalist left, those that actually oppose the system itself, are the actually progressive historical actors nowadays. You could have given liberals that label in the 1700s to mid 1800s perhaps, but they are not the defenders of the current order.
its not about gatekeeping anything its about describing reality, if u are a worker either u are a pathetic boot licker or u are leftist and ur mouth looks rather muddy.
Saying liberals aren’t left wing is gatekeeping the term. Imagine saying that I’m not left leaning enough. Wtf is that supposed mean!
Would you prefer blue conservatives?
I used to think you were one of the good guys
Leftism is to go against the current class order, Liberalism supports it. Leftism isn’t an arbitrary vibe, if you’re pro-Capitalism then you aren’t against Capitalism!
Leftism isn’t to go against capitalism though. Leftism broadly refers to the ideology that supports socioeconomic equality. If I’m to remind you of the origin of the terms “left” and “right” as it relates to politics, the terms right and left refer to political affiliations originating early in the French Revolutionary era. “The Left” implied support for republicanism - becoming a republic, and not American republicanism, secularism and civil liberties.
Political scientists and other analysts usually regard the left as including anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals. Movements for racial equality, as well as trade unionism, have also been associated with the left. Source
The sort of leftism you Marxist-Leninists advocate for is radical leftism. Social liberalism is still leftist.
Then by your own definition Liberalism is right wing! This is ridiculous.
Neoliberalism IS right wing! The contemporary “Liberal” is pro-war, anti-worker, and thinks leftism is a Foucauldian atomization of the workers by identity, a strategy that was literally seeded by the CIA as an anticommunist strategy (how do you think Foucault became universal in Western university curricula?) If you do not have class solidarity, you are not “left” period.
Yes, I agree. They don’t, they think liberalism is left wing.
You think communism is the only way to advocate for socioeconomic equality?
Edit: This is a dumb question of course you do. Read the source on political scientists agreeing that social liberalism is leftist. Go ahead and disagree if you want
Nope, but advocating for “socioeconomic equality” by advocating for Capitalism, a system based on private accumulation and inequality, is hilariously wrong.
You’re just a closed minded marxist. It’s ok.
Friend, take the straight point as it’s delivered: capitalism is a system of oppression, and “liberals” support capitalism.
Leftists call those saying “this system of oppression would be perfect, with only some changes” liberals.
I understand the point you’re trying to relay; however, I’m going to have to disagree.
You’re basically saying that the only way to bring about systemic change is through Marxism, and I can’t agree with that. From another comment i posted:
Please explain how advocacy for Capitalism is adbocacy for Socioeconomic equality. Please. I’m a Marxist, you’re darn right, but I acknowledge that there are other left positions like Anarchism and Syndicalism. Liberalism is right-wing.
Bro what!! Liberalism is literally considered a left wing ideology by political scientists. It doesn’t matter what you think. You didn’t create this stuff.
Social democrats and social liberals are all left wing because these groups advocate for more government intervention which right wingers vehemently oppose. Do you think that the political spectrum only involves markets?
you are not left enough.
Liberalism is the political ideology of mainstream capitalism, particularly for the imperialist countries. As the global economic system for decades and decades, this makes liberals a conservative ideology, its members attempt to maintain the fundamental capitalist status quo. Its members that attempt to make substantial changes begin to push at the fringes of liberalism and end up working against it. Reactionaries try to “restore” a largely fictitious past glory and reinforce conservative social mores in order to scapegoat the problems of liberalism onto marginalized communities. Those on the anticapitalist left, those that actually oppose the system itself, are the actually progressive historical actors nowadays. You could have given liberals that label in the 1700s to mid 1800s perhaps, but they are not the defenders of the current order.
its not about gatekeeping anything its about describing reality, if u are a worker either u are a pathetic boot licker or u are leftist and ur mouth looks rather muddy.