• AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder, and you said it again just now. Why does killing an animal for food carry any moral weight? Cheetahs don’t get any flak for hunting caribou.

    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      A human is an animal too, so i might kill it for food with no moral weight to it. Great.

      But if you compare yourself to a cheetah, I get that your intellect and morals are just… Primal 😁

    • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder

      I didn’t, actually

      and you said it again just now

      I didn’t, actually

      Why does killing an animal for food carry any moral weight?

      Because humans aren’t special unique beings with souls that make us the only ones with moral worth. Many animals are capable of suffering and emotion.

      Cheetahs don’t get any flak for hunting caribou.

      We are the ones with the social system allowing for moral frameworks to guide our decisionmaking. Cheetahs aren’t moral agents. And if they are, they follow cheetah morality. Plus, they are obligate carnivores anyway (which is why your cat should not be deprived of meat)

      • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder

        I didn’t, actually

        Yes you did, that’s what the word “murder” means

        your cat shouldn’t be deprived of meat

        All right then. Do you believe that owning a cat is immoral, since in order for the cat to thrive, creatures with souls must die?

        • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          There are no creatures with souls. But no, I wouldn’t say keeping a cat in general is immoral. There are definitely ethical concerns around things like kitten breeding mills and letting cats roam around outdoors, though

            • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              4 months ago

              We are the ones with the social system allowing for moral frameworks to guide our decisionmaking. Cheetahs aren’t moral agents … Plus, they are obligate carnivores anyway (which is why your cat should not be deprived of meat)

              please act in good faith or let me know that you’re not interested in doing so

              • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                Why is me killing a chicken to feed to my cat morally acceptable, but me killing a chicken to feed to myself is not? In both cases the one with the moral code is doing the killing.

                Do you believe that if there were a race of intelligent aliens who were obligate carnivores, they should be allowed to slaughter humans for food? It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I would agree, provided the humans were treated humanely.